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µnote: This
document represents a series of letters between Dr. D. Daryl Adam and
myself. You can decide for
yourself if he has broken any promises to me.
Please remember that nothing promised has been accomplished.
None of the things talked about have been completed.
The first is dated 8-18-1999
Daryl,
I understand everything that you have said and I
agree with you. I am a scientist and have worked in cell biology
labs and I have never had trouble getting along with anyone. I
never thought that I would have trouble with this meteorite.
Actually, the main reason I never "brought it out" before was
because I was afraid that the scientist would take it away from me.
Now I find that I can't even give it away.:-)
If you will give me the address, I will send
samples to you or your friend. There are some other simple tests
that I wish we could get done also. We need a density measurement,
since material made in a lesser gravitational force, should be less
dense than Earthly material. Also, I have never been able to get a
"true" measurement of the elemental oxides because of the
mixing with the sandy material (see Review at www.martianchronicle.com)
so we don't have any measurements of the red lava (50ma).
I don't know why you have had trouble visiting my
sites. They are all "straight" html and I used them as a
tool to teach my son how to do web sites, so all of my sites should work
fine on your computer. What kind of computer do you have and what
browser are you using?
I very much appreciate your attitude. All I
have tried to do this entire last three years was to get an honest and
open review of this rock before a group of scientist from different
areas of study. You seem to be offering to help me and I very much
respect you for that. However, I'm almost "gun shy"
since I have been mislead by so many scientists in this matter.
But I hope that you understand that I very much respect the scientific
community and still view them through the eyes of my childhood. In
my childhood, there was God and scientists and they were both pretty
close to each other. So my nature is to love and trust scientist,
even though I feel burned right now.
Please let me know where to send the samples and I
will get them out immediately.
Your friend,
micromike
Dear Daryl,
I have been burned, but that doesn't mean I can't trust you and move
forward. In April of last year, I contacted my congressman and
senators and
asked for their help. Eventually, they appointed Virgil
"Buck" Sharpton as
the person that would help me. We talked on the phone at least 5
times and
I wrote him at least 20 letters as we planned what tests needed to be
done
and how we could find a paleontologist and etc. After months of
this, Buck
just moved to Alaska, didn't give me a new e-mail address and turned the
whole thing over to Alan Treiman, who was one of the three original
people
that I had been arguing with for the entire 3 year period. So I am
willing
to walk the walk and time is not important to me. What is
important is
getting to the bottom of this mystery and making humanity aware that
life
evolved on more than one planet, it that is what the evidence shows.
All I
want is to be able to have my voice heard in this process, since I have
been
studying this rock almost full time over the last three years or so.
I am sending you several different objects including the flying insect.
I
will also send my little spider creature and several pieces of debris
that
appear to be from some kind of plant. Also, I will send at least
one colony
of the living things. Also, I will send you a representative
sample of the
sandy material that comes from within the rock that I believe represents
the
ancient ocean bottom of Mars. I will send you a piece of the gray
rock that
is 13 million years old and I will send you a piece of the red rock
which is
49 million years old. Then you will have a good representation of
all the
parts of the rock that I have been able to identify.
Thanks for your attention. It is kind of hard to trust you, but
that is my
nature. As an example of my problems, recently (within the last 6
months) I
had a guy from California write me and tell me that he didn't understand
why
NASA wouldn't look at the rock and he said that he would be near the
necessary equipment this summer and that he would do additional
elemental
oxides analysis, which is something I need. Then, I thought that I
didn't
know him, so I wrote Dr. Treiman and asked him if this guy was a
legitimate
person. Dr. Treiman wrote me back that he did know this guy,
but that he
didn't know anything about additional tests. To make a long story short,
I
have written this guy 4 or 5 times now, and he won't even answer my
e-mail.
What is so ironic, is that the piece of the rock that I offered him for
study, is exactly where I took the sample labeled Sand3 which tests
Martian
by all accounts. But something happened (Treiman wrote him) and he
won't
even answer my e-mails and I just don't understand. I thought that
when
there was a controversy within science, that additional tests would be
the
proper response to find the truth. Oh well.
I joked to a computer friend of mine that you probably had a MAC and
were
using Netscape. That is one combination that we can't test, so it
may the
problem reading my web sites. The were all written for Explorer
and you can
download that free and have both browsers on your computer, if you are
brave
enough. Anyway, I'll do whatever is necessary to help you read my
sites,
since much of my path has been documented at my various sites.
I've always
thought that one end of the net was connected to a black hole, because
most
of my letters tend to end up there. I send light in and nothing
comes back.
:-)
I will probably send the samples via Fed Ex. All of the samples
are in
petri dishes and I don't know anyway to fix them to the dishes.
All of
these samples are very small and a single breath can send them flying
away,
so be really careful with each of these samples.
Your friend,
micromike
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: thanks
> I am sorry you have been burned in the past. Sadly, science
is
> conducted by humans and there is no "entrance
requirement" to become
> one.
>
> I am using a Mac Powerbook G3 and running Netscape Communicator
4.0. Oh
> well, I still think part of the net and computer stuff is part
"black
> magic" sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't - sometimes I
think the
> way you hold your mouth has something to do with it.
>
> As far as the samples, please send plenty information with what you
> send. I am not as "up to speed" on this stuff as
others.
>
> The address is:
>
> D. Daryl Adams, Ph.D.
> Department of Biological Sciences
> Minnesota State University
> Mankato, MN 56002
>
> All I can say about trust is that you have my word that I am honest
and
> trustworthy. If you feel the least bit worried at any point in this
> journey, please tell me.
>
> Thanks for the trust.
>
> Daryl
>
> "marslife.com" wrote:
>
> > Daryl,I understand everything that you have said and I agree
with
> > you. I am a scientist and have worked in cell biology
labs and I have
> > never had trouble getting along with anyone. I never
thought that I
> > would have trouble with this meteorite. Actually, the
main reason I
> > never "brought it out" before was because I was
afraid that the
> > scientist would take it away from me. Now I find that I
can't even
> > give it away.:-)If you will give me the address, I will send
samples
> > to you or your friend. There are some other simple tests
that I wish
> > we could get done also. We need a density measurement,
since material
> > made in a lesser gravitational force, should be less dense
than
> > Earthly material. Also, I have never been able to get a
"true"
> > measurement of the elemental oxides because of the mixing with
the
> > sandy material (see Review at www.martianchronicle.com)
so we don't
> > have any measurements of the red lava (50ma).I don't know why
you have
> > had trouble visiting my sites. They are all
"straight" html and I
> > used them as a tool to teach my son how to do web sites, so
all of my
> > sites should work fine on your computer. What kind of
computer do you
> > have and what browser are you using?I very much appreciate
your
> > attitude. All I have tried to do this entire last three
years was to
> > get an honest and open review of this rock before a group of
scientist
> > from different areas of study. You seem to be offering
to help me and
> > I very much respect you for that. However, I'm almost
"gun shy" since
> > I have been mislead by so many scientists in this matter.
But I hope
> > that you understand that I very much respect the scientific
community
> > and still view them through the eyes of my childhood. In
my
> > childhood, there was God and scientists and they were both
pretty
> > close to each other. So my nature is to love and trust
scientist,
> > even though I feel burned right now.Please let me know where
to send
> > the samples and I will get them out immediately.Your
friend,micromike
>
Daryl,
You should receive your samples today, via UPS.
I have sent you 3 petri dishes and two little bottles. One petri
dish has the flying insect. It is very small and the petri may
look empty to start with. The little bug is in there. The
second dish contains the spider-like creature. It came from the
large crevice in the rock and so was on the "outside" of the
rock, so it did not come from an interior vesicle, but I think it
belongs with the rock. Two clues for this are the fact that the
little glassy creatures are associated with it and I have been able to
see sand within the interior of one of the legs. I have tried to
photograph the thing and eventually broke off one leg, which is still in
the petri dish. Since the object was on the outside of the rock,
it may not be from Mars, but I think it did come with the rock, so it
should be tested. The final petri dish contains a sample of
the colony and other pieces of debris from living things. Try to
preserve as much as possible, but feel free to test anything you want
for DNA. All of these objects, except the spider and the colony
came from within the gray rock and must be more than 13 million years
old. As far as the colony goes, there are some members that are
clear, some that are red, some that are black, and some that are blue.
It would be interesting to take a DNA sample of each color. The first
bottle contains a piece of the red rock (49ma) and a piece of the gray
rock (13ma). We don't have the proper chemistry of either rock and
I wish we could get someone to who has an electron microscope that could
take specific measurements of the different aspects of the rock.
Each piece (red or gray) has little red "spots" on them.
They could be places where evaporation or moisture has created little
areas of oxidation, or they could be something like a lichen, since I
have found samples that seemed to cover some of the tops of the vesicles
and look to have been laid down after the vesicle was made. I just
don't have the equipment or expertise to accomplish any of these tests.
The final bottle contains a sample of the sandy material that comes from
within the rock. I have taken a number of samples over the last
three years and what you have is a representative sample from several
petri dishes. If you will examine it carefully under a microscope,
you will see that this material is full of debris from once living
creatures. Please take DNA of any of these that you find
interesting. Remember that all of this material is at least 13 ma
and that the red particles found next to these items was dated at 49 ma.
All I ask of this process is that you keep me
informed and allow me to make contributions to this process.
Remember that I have been looking at the rock or its contents almost
daily for more than three years. As any new information arises,
please inform me so that I may think about it. As a philosopher,
my job is really not to do any of the tests you propose, but only to
think about what the results might mean.
If it is OK, I would like to e-mail you with
additional information as I think of it. It would behoove you to
read the information on my web sites. Please remember that www.martianchronicle.com
is the only site that has recent information on it. The pages on www.marsmeteorite.com,
www.marslife.com and www.marsrock.org
is all old information. Most of these pages were written about 2
years ago and many of my opinions have changed since I wrote those
pages. marsrock.org shows many of the letters that I have written
over the last three years to many of the people in the scientific
community.
You asked me to trust you and that is very much my
nature. So all I know to do is to trust you. You have said
all of the right words and today you will have my little "million
dollar bug" in your possession. Please take care of this
precious cargo. Have fun studying this material and keep me
informed.
Your friend,
micromike
Daryl,
I wrote you once today and then I received this letter. As you
must know by
now, I have sent you a lot of items including the little flying insect.
You
should take a day or two and just look at what you have and read my web
pages if possible.
The collection history of the rock is very simple. I had
been working on
my great aunt's ranch for about a year when we came across the rock.
My
aunt had owed the ranch for about 50 years. We were making our
regular
rounds and both of us spotted the rock from about 1/2 mile away.
Our job
was to observe and look for cattle, so this rock stuck out like a sore
thumb. My aunt agreed that it had never been there before and we
had been
to that pasture the day before and it was not there. The
chemistry and
ages do not match any volcanoes of Texas, NM, or Colorado (see
www.marsmeteorite.com for
more info). I approached the rock carefully and
found that none of the materials around the rock were disturbed in any
way.
It was winter time and the sandy soil had a hard crust on the top and
one
could see that no creature or human had made any marks anywhere near the
rock. There was a slight depression about 18" away and it
looked to me like
the rock had bounced one small time. My aunt didn't give me much
time, but
that scene is burned into my memory.
Also, I forgot to tell you to examine the red material that is
associated
with the colony. I have found several pieces of this stuff in the
meteorite. I put a drop of water on the colony piece and it
melted. I
thought it was a rock before I put the water on it and pictures before
and
after are at marsmeteorite. Select colony. I believe that
this material
might be the "food" store of these little glassy creatures,
but I don't
know. I would love to have it analyzed to see what it is.
Please let me know if you have additional questions and I will work with
you
at any level to make sure that you are successful in your attempts to
understand what I have sent you. Also, please point out the ages
of this
material to your friend. Both rocks (red and gray) are so
delicate that
you can break them with your finger nail, yet they are both very old by
Earthly standards, since the Himalayas have risen from beneath the ocean
in
less time than either of the rocks have been around. I didn't
include any
of the outer fusion crust. Also included is a small piece of glass
that
apparently was made when the sand in a vesicle was melted as the
meteorite
came through our atmosphere.
Thanks again for all that you are doing and please have fun. My
job as a
philosopher is to understand the overviews of nature. But as a
human being,
I would like to help every other human being on the planet. If you
love
biology, then I think it would be a big help to you and your career to
study
life from other planets. As a child, I never thought I would come
into
contact with life from another planet, but the evidence now has me
convinced
that in God's infinite wisdom, somehow he choose me to get this most
important rock. As a scientist, I am just grateful to see
these wonders.
But I hope this rock helps to make you a better and happier biologist.
Your friend,
micromike
----- Original Message -----
From: D Adams <d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU>
To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: thanks
> You are right on money about my set-up. Oh well, I stared
with IBM and
> even took a course in DOS but abandoned it before windows existed.
>
> I know it is hard to trust if you have been burned. All I can
say is
> that I am serious about this and will do whatever I can to help.
I may
> not be able to provide you with an explanation or even gain access
to
> the people that can help but I will not abandon you. You have
my
> e-mail, my departmental address, and I will also provide you with
phone
> numbers.
>
> Departmental - 507-389-2786
> FAX - 507-389-2788
> Office 507-389-1778
>
> You can always reach me through these numbers.
>
> I talked with my Paleogeologist about looking at a sample. I
did not
> give him any details, I want the evaluation to be unbiased. I
think
> that is a good place to start. With that in mind, sending the
very
> fragile and easily damaged insects may not be in your best
interest.
> How about we start with a more representative piece of the rock.
Let's
> see what the "read" is on it first. Is it a common
type of rock, has
> this person encountered it before, does it get his attention??
We can
> them move on to more specific items and tests. How does that
sound?
>
> I will also need to know the complete collection history behind the
> rock. As you already know, the "results" of any
competent examination
> will depend on exact information about the history of the rock
itself.
> Who found it? Where was it found? Was it removed from
strata? I
> think you know the drill.
>
> Lets start slow. The person who has agreed to evaluate this
rock is
> an expert in the field and has been examining these types of finds
for
> decades. He knows his stuff.
>
> Looking forward to getting us started on this adventure, wherever
it
> may take us.
>
> Daryl
> On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:07:05 -0500 "marslife.com"
> <registration@marslife.com>
wrote:
>
> > Dear Daryl,
> > I have been burned, but that doesn't mean I can't trust you
and move
> > forward. In April of last year, I contacted my
congressman and senators
and
> > asked for their help. Eventually, they appointed Virgil
"Buck" Sharpton
as
> > the person that would help me. We talked on the phone at
least 5 times
and
> > I wrote him at least 20 letters as we planned what tests
needed to be
done
> > and how we could find a paleontologist and etc. After
months of this,
Buck
> > just moved to Alaska, didn't give me a new e-mail address and
turned the
> > whole thing over to Alan Treiman, who was one of the three
original
people
> > that I had been arguing with for the entire 3 year period.
So I am
willing
> > to walk the walk and time is not important to me. What
is important is
> > getting to the bottom of this mystery and making humanity
aware that
life
> > evolved on more than one planet, it that is what the evidence
shows.
All I
> > want is to be able to have my voice heard in this process,
since I have
been
> > studying this rock almost full time over the last three years
or so.
> > I am sending you several different objects including the
flying insect.
I
> > will also send my little spider creature and several pieces of
debris
that
> > appear to be from some kind of plant. Also, I will send
at least one
colony
> > of the living things. Also, I will send you a
representative sample of
the
> > sandy material that comes from within the rock that I believe
represents
the
> > ancient ocean bottom of Mars. I will send you a piece of
the gray rock
that
> > is 13 million years old and I will send you a piece of the red
rock
which is
> > 49 million years old. Then you will have a good
representation of all
the
> > parts of the rock that I have been able to identify.
> > Thanks for your attention. It is kind of hard to trust
you, but that is
my
> > nature. As an example of my problems, recently (within
the last 6
months) I
> > had a guy from California write me and tell me that he didn't
understand
why
> > NASA wouldn't look at the rock and he said that he would be
near the
> > necessary equipment this summer and that he would do
additional
elemental
> > oxides analysis, which is something I need. Then, I
thought that I
didn't
> > know him, so I wrote Dr. Treiman and asked him if this guy was
a
legitimate
> > person. Dr. Treiman wrote me back that he did know
this guy, but that
he
> > didn't know anything about additional tests. To make a long
story short,
I
> > have written this guy 4 or 5 times now, and he won't even
answer my
e-mail.
> > What is so ironic, is that the piece of the rock that I
offered him for
> > study, is exactly where I took the sample labeled Sand3 which
tests
Martian
> > by all accounts. But something happened (Treiman wrote
him) and he
won't
> > even answer my e-mails and I just don't understand. I
thought that when
> > there was a controversy within science, that additional tests
would be
the
> > proper response to find the truth. Oh well.
> > I joked to a computer friend of mine that you probably had a
MAC and
were
> > using Netscape. That is one combination that we can't
test, so it may
the
> > problem reading my web sites. The were all written for
Explorer and you
can
> > download that free and have both browsers on your computer, if
you are
brave
> > enough. Anyway, I'll do whatever is necessary to help
you read my
sites,
> > since much of my path has been documented at my various sites.
I've
always
> > thought that one end of the net was connected to a black hole,
because
most
> > of my letters tend to end up there. I send light in and
nothing comes
back.
> > :-)
> > I will probably send the samples via Fed Ex. All of the
samples are in
> > petri dishes and I don't know anyway to fix them to the
dishes. All of
> > these samples are very small and a single breath can send them
flying
away,
> > so be really careful with each of these samples.
> > Your friend,
> > micromike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
> > To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 9:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: thanks
> >
> >
> > > I am sorry you have been burned in the past. Sadly,
science is
> > > conducted by humans and there is no "entrance
requirement" to become
> > > one.
> > >
> > > I am using a Mac Powerbook G3 and running Netscape
Communicator 4.0.
Oh
> > > well, I still think part of the net and computer stuff is
part "black
> > > magic" sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't -
sometimes I think
the
> > > way you hold your mouth has something to do with it.
> > >
> > > As far as the samples, please send plenty information
with what you
> > > send. I am not as "up to speed" on this
stuff as others.
> > >
> > > The address is:
> > >
> > > D. Daryl Adams, Ph.D.
> > > Department of Biological Sciences
> > > Minnesota State University
> > > Mankato, MN 56002
> > >
> > > All I can say about trust is that you have my word that I
am honest
and
> > > trustworthy. If you feel the least bit worried at any
point in this
> > > journey, please tell me.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the trust.
> > >
> > > Daryl
> > >
> > > "marslife.com" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Daryl,I understand everything that you have said and
I agree with
> > > > you. I am a scientist and have worked in cell
biology labs and I
have
> > > > never had trouble getting along with anyone. I
never thought that I
> > > > would have trouble with this meteorite.
Actually, the main reason I
> > > > never "brought it out" before was because
I was afraid that the
> > > > scientist would take it away from me. Now I
find that I can't even
> > > > give it away.:-)If you will give me the address, I
will send samples
> > > > to you or your friend. There are some other
simple tests that I
wish
> > > > we could get done also. We need a density
measurement, since
material
> > > > made in a lesser gravitational force, should be less
dense than
> > > > Earthly material. Also, I have never been able
to get a "true"
> > > > measurement of the elemental oxides because of the
mixing with the
> > > > sandy material (see Review at www.martianchronicle.com)
so we don't
> > > > have any measurements of the red lava (50ma).I don't
know why you
have
> > > > had trouble visiting my sites. They are all
"straight" html and I
> > > > used them as a tool to teach my son how to do web
sites, so all of
my
> > > > sites should work fine on your computer. What
kind of computer do
you
> > > > have and what browser are you using?I very much
appreciate your
> > > > attitude. All I have tried to do this entire
last three years was
to
> > > > get an honest and open review of this rock before a
group of
scientist
> > > > from different areas of study. You seem to be
offering to help me
and
> > > > I very much respect you for that. However, I'm
almost "gun shy"
since
> > > > I have been mislead by so many scientists in this
matter. But I
hope
> > > > that you understand that I very much respect the
scientific
community
> > > > and still view them through the eyes of my
childhood. In my
> > > > childhood, there was God and scientists and they
were both pretty
> > > > close to each other. So my nature is to love
and trust scientist,
> > > > even though I feel burned right now.Please let me
know where to send
> > > > the samples and I will get them out immediately.Your
friend,micromike
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> ----------------------
> D Adams
> d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
>
Daryl,
The fly is probably smaller than the spider. It is the only thing
in the
petri dish. It was loose, but it should have survived OK.
You can just see
it with the naked eye, but the pictures I took were probably about 50
power.
The colony petri dish is the same colony as shown on marsmeteorite.com.
You
can see the before and after pictures of how much it has grown. (I
first
noticed these things were "growing" out of the meteorite about
7 years ago,
but at that time I just couldn't believe they were actually alive.)
These
things are "sticky" and all of these pieces of debris in the
same dish have
become stuck to them. Please feel free to take a sample of any of
the
colony creatures or any of the pieces of debris for use in DNA or other
testing. Please remember that these things are "growing"
throughout the
entire rock. I have found these things growing in the inner most
core
sample that I have taken and I know that they have not had water or much
light in the almost thirty years that I have had the rock.
I so much appreciate your interest and work in this matter. I
really don't
understand why the other scientists have not trusted me in this matter.
I
don't know where they would think I would get a rock that is partly 50
million years old. I couldn't make up these little creatures and
the debris
that surrounds them. If you will look through the sandy material,
you will
find your own little pieces of once living creatures and you will be the
first to see them. Even my mother saw this rock when I found it
and at
least 100 people have seen it since I found it and have heard the story
of
its fall and that I thought it was probably from Mars. I have
offered
several times to take a lie detector test, yet they still wouldn't
believe
me. It's very frustrating, but then if you follow through, then I
think
everything will be OK. I just can't tell you how much I appreciate
your
open mind and good scientific attitude.
The fly is so delicate, it could "fly" out with just a breath
of air from
someone breathing. But I do know it was there when I shipped the
petri.
Your friend,
micromike
----- Original Message -----
From: D Adams <d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU>
To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: thanks
> Mike,
>
> I had some time so I unpacked the box. I found the Petri dish
with the
> "colony" and some fragments. It seems to have
survived the trip just
> fine. I also found the plastic container with 2 Petri dishes.
One is
> marked "fly" and the other "spider." The
"spider" and his detached leg
> seem to have survived OK. I can tell you from this first look
that it
> is an exoskeleton of whatever it was. The exit slit is still
visible.
>
> I am having a little difficulty locating the "fly."
I find a mass of
> somewhat transparent material that is sort of tied together.
It looks
> like it belongs together. I am assumming this is the
"fly." If not,
> you will have to help me on this one. For instance, what
would the
> fly's relative size be to the "spider." Maybe I
need a higher
> magnification.
>
> The two vials are also OK. The "ocean" and the
"big grey" are there.
>
> Thanks and I will keep you posted.
>
> Daryl
> On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:09:17 -0500 "marslife.com"
> <registration@marslife.com>
wrote:
>
> > Daryl,
> > I wrote you once today and then I received this letter.
As you must
know by
> > now, I have sent you a lot of items including the little
flying insect.
You
> > should take a day or two and just look at what you have and
read my web
> > pages if possible.
> > The collection history of the rock is very simple.
I had been working
on
> > my great aunt's ranch for about a year when we came across the
rock. My
> > aunt had owed the ranch for about 50 years. We were
making our regular
> > rounds and both of us spotted the rock from about 1/2 mile
away. Our
job
> > was to observe and look for cattle, so this rock stuck out
like a sore
> > thumb. My aunt agreed that it had never been there
before and we had
been
> > to that pasture the day before and it was not there.
The chemistry and
> > ages do not match any volcanoes of Texas, NM, or Colorado (see
> > www.marsmeteorite.com
for more info). I approached the rock carefully
and
> > found that none of the materials around the rock were
disturbed in any
way.
> > It was winter time and the sandy soil had a hard crust on the
top and
one
> > could see that no creature or human had made any marks
anywhere near the
> > rock. There was a slight depression about 18" away
and it looked to me
like
> > the rock had bounced one small time. My aunt didn't give
me much time,
but
> > that scene is burned into my memory.
> > Also, I forgot to tell you to examine the red material that is
associated
> > with the colony. I have found several pieces of this
stuff in the
> > meteorite. I put a drop of water on the colony piece and
it melted. I
> > thought it was a rock before I put the water on it and
pictures before
and
> > after are at marsmeteorite. Select colony. I
believe that this
material
> > might be the "food" store of these little glassy
creatures, but I don't
> > know. I would love to have it analyzed to see what it
is.
> > Please let me know if you have additional questions and I will
work with
you
> > at any level to make sure that you are successful in your
attempts to
> > understand what I have sent you. Also, please point out
the ages of
this
> > material to your friend. Both rocks (red and gray)
are so delicate
that
> > you can break them with your finger nail, yet they are both
very old by
> > Earthly standards, since the Himalayas have risen from beneath
the ocean
in
> > less time than either of the rocks have been around. I
didn't include
any
> > of the outer fusion crust. Also included is a small
piece of glass that
> > apparently was made when the sand in a vesicle was melted as
the
meteorite
> > came through our atmosphere.
> > Thanks again for all that you are doing and please have fun.
My job as
a
> > philosopher is to understand the overviews of nature.
But as a human
being,
> > I would like to help every other human being on the planet.
If you love
> > biology, then I think it would be a big help to you and your
career to
study
> > life from other planets. As a child, I never thought I
would come into
> > contact with life from another planet, but the evidence now
has me
convinced
> > that in God's infinite wisdom, somehow he choose me to get
this most
> > important rock. As a scientist, I am just grateful
to see these
wonders.
> > But I hope this rock helps to make you a better and happier
biologist.
> > Your friend,
> > micromike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D Adams <d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU>
> > To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 3:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: thanks
> >
> >
> > > You are right on money about my set-up. Oh well, I
stared with IBM
and
> > > even took a course in DOS but abandoned it before windows
existed.
> > >
> > > I know it is hard to trust if you have been burned.
All I can say is
> > > that I am serious about this and will do whatever I can
to help. I
may
> > > not be able to provide you with an explanation or even
gain access to
> > > the people that can help but I will not abandon you.
You have my
> > > e-mail, my departmental address, and I will also provide
you with
phone
> > > numbers.
> > >
> > > Departmental - 507-389-2786
> > > FAX - 507-389-2788
> > > Office 507-389-1778
> > >
> > > You can always reach me through these numbers.
> > >
> > > I talked with my Paleogeologist about looking at a
sample. I did not
> > > give him any details, I want the evaluation to be
unbiased. I think
> > > that is a good place to start. With that in mind,
sending the very
> > > fragile and easily damaged insects may not be in your
best interest.
> > > How about we start with a more representative piece of
the rock.
Let's
> > > see what the "read" is on it first. Is it
a common type of rock, has
> > > this person encountered it before, does it get his
attention?? We can
> > > them move on to more specific items and tests. How
does that sound?
> > >
> > > I will also need to know the complete collection history
behind the
> > > rock. As you already know, the "results"
of any competent examination
> > > will depend on exact information about the history of the
rock itself.
> > > Who found it? Where was it found? Was it
removed from strata? I
> > > think you know the drill.
> > >
> > > Lets start slow. The person who has agreed to
evaluate this rock is
> > > an expert in the field and has been examining these types
of finds for
> > > decades. He knows his stuff.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to getting us started on this adventure,
wherever it
> > > may take us.
> > >
> > > Daryl
> > > On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:07:05 -0500 "marslife.com"
> > > <registration@marslife.com>
wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Daryl,
> > > > I have been burned, but that doesn't mean I can't
trust you and move
> > > > forward. In April of last year, I contacted my
congressman and
senators
> > and
> > > > asked for their help. Eventually, they
appointed Virgil "Buck"
Sharpton
> > as
> > > > the person that would help me. We talked on
the phone at least 5
times
> > and
> > > > I wrote him at least 20 letters as we planned what
tests needed to
be
> > done
> > > > and how we could find a paleontologist and etc.
After months of
this,
> > Buck
> > > > just moved to Alaska, didn't give me a new e-mail
address and turned
the
> > > > whole thing over to Alan Treiman, who was one of the
three original
> > people
> > > > that I had been arguing with for the entire 3 year
period. So I am
> > willing
> > > > to walk the walk and time is not important to me.
What is important
is
> > > > getting to the bottom of this mystery and making
humanity aware that
> > life
> > > > evolved on more than one planet, it that is what the
evidence shows.
> > All I
> > > > want is to be able to have my voice heard in this
process, since I
have
> > been
> > > > studying this rock almost full time over the last
three years or so.
> > > > I am sending you several different objects including
the flying
insect.
> > I
> > > > will also send my little spider creature and several
pieces of
debris
> > that
> > > > appear to be from some kind of plant. Also, I
will send at least
one
> > colony
> > > > of the living things. Also, I will send you a
representative sample
of
> > the
> > > > sandy material that comes from within the rock that
I believe
represents
> > the
> > > > ancient ocean bottom of Mars. I will send you
a piece of the gray
rock
> > that
> > > > is 13 million years old and I will send you a piece
of the red rock
> > which is
> > > > 49 million years old. Then you will have a
good representation of
all
> > the
> > > > parts of the rock that I have been able to identify.
> > > > Thanks for your attention. It is kind of hard
to trust you, but
that is
> > my
> > > > nature. As an example of my problems, recently
(within the last 6
> > months) I
> > > > had a guy from California write me and tell me that
he didn't
understand
> > why
> > > > NASA wouldn't look at the rock and he said that he
would be near the
> > > > necessary equipment this summer and that he would do
additional
> > elemental
> > > > oxides analysis, which is something I need.
Then, I thought that I
> > didn't
> > > > know him, so I wrote Dr. Treiman and asked him if
this guy was a
> > legitimate
> > > > person. Dr. Treiman wrote me back that
he did know this guy, but
that
> > he
> > > > didn't know anything about additional tests. To make
a long story
short,
> > I
> > > > have written this guy 4 or 5 times now, and he won't
even answer my
> > e-mail.
> > > > What is so ironic, is that the piece of the rock
that I offered him
for
> > > > study, is exactly where I took the sample labeled
Sand3 which tests
> > Martian
> > > > by all accounts. But something happened
(Treiman wrote him) and he
> > won't
> > > > even answer my e-mails and I just don't understand.
I thought that
when
> > > > there was a controversy within science, that
additional tests would
be
> > the
> > > > proper response to find the truth. Oh
well.
> > > > I joked to a computer friend of mine that you
probably had a MAC and
> > were
> > > > using Netscape. That is one combination that
we can't test, so it
may
> > the
> > > > problem reading my web sites. The were all
written for Explorer and
you
> > can
> > > > download that free and have both browsers on your
computer, if you
are
> > brave
> > > > enough. Anyway, I'll do whatever is necessary
to help you read my
> > sites,
> > > > since much of my path has been documented at my
various sites. I've
> > always
> > > > thought that one end of the net was connected to a
black hole,
because
> > most
> > > > of my letters tend to end up there. I send
light in and nothing
comes
> > back.
> > > > :-)
> > > > I will probably send the samples via Fed Ex.
All of the samples are
in
> > > > petri dishes and I don't know anyway to fix them to
the dishes. All
of
> > > > these samples are very small and a single breath can
send them
flying
> > away,
> > > > so be really careful with each of these samples.
> > > > Your friend,
> > > > micromike
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
> > > > To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 9:24 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I am sorry you have been burned in the past.
Sadly, science is
> > > > > conducted by humans and there is no
"entrance requirement" to
become
> > > > > one.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using a Mac Powerbook G3 and running
Netscape Communicator
4.0.
> > Oh
> > > > > well, I still think part of the net and
computer stuff is part
"black
> > > > > magic" sometimes it works, sometimes it
doesn't - sometimes I
think
> > the
> > > > > way you hold your mouth has something to do
with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as the samples, please send plenty
information with what
you
> > > > > send. I am not as "up to speed"
on this stuff as others.
> > > > >
> > > > > The address is:
> > > > >
> > > > > D. Daryl Adams, Ph.D.
> > > > > Department of Biological Sciences
> > > > > Minnesota State University
> > > > > Mankato, MN 56002
> > > > >
> > > > > All I can say about trust is that you have my
word that I am
honest
> > and
> > > > > trustworthy. If you feel the least bit worried
at any point in
this
> > > > > journey, please tell me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the trust.
> > > > >
> > > > > Daryl
> > > > >
> > > > > "marslife.com" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Daryl,I understand everything that you
have said and I agree
with
> > > > > > you. I am a scientist and have
worked in cell biology labs and
I
> > have
> > > > > > never had trouble getting along with
anyone. I never thought
that I
> > > > > > would have trouble with this meteorite.
Actually, the main
reason I
> > > > > > never "brought it out" before
was because I was afraid that the
> > > > > > scientist would take it away from me.
Now I find that I can't
even
> > > > > > give it away.:-)If you will give me the
address, I will send
samples
> > > > > > to you or your friend. There are
some other simple tests that I
> > wish
> > > > > > we could get done also. We need a
density measurement, since
> > material
> > > > > > made in a lesser gravitational force,
should be less dense than
> > > > > > Earthly material. Also, I have never
been able to get a "true"
> > > > > > measurement of the elemental oxides
because of the mixing with
the
> > > > > > sandy material (see Review at www.martianchronicle.com)
so we
don't
> > > > > > have any measurements of the red lava
(50ma).I don't know why
you
> > have
> > > > > > had trouble visiting my sites. They
are all "straight" html and
I
> > > > > > used them as a tool to teach my son how to
do web sites, so all
of
> > my
> > > > > > sites should work fine on your computer.
What kind of computer
do
> > you
> > > > > > have and what browser are you using?I very
much appreciate your
> > > > > > attitude. All I have tried to do
this entire last three years
was
> > to
> > > > > > get an honest and open review of this rock
before a group of
> > scientist
> > > > > > from different areas of study. You
seem to be offering to help
me
> > and
> > > > > > I very much respect you for that.
However, I'm almost "gun shy"
> > since
> > > > > > I have been mislead by so many scientists
in this matter. But I
> > hope
> > > > > > that you understand that I very much
respect the scientific
> > community
> > > > > > and still view them through the eyes of my
childhood. In my
> > > > > > childhood, there was God and scientists
and they were both
pretty
> > > > > > close to each other. So my nature is
to love and trust
scientist,
> > > > > > even though I feel burned right now.Please
let me know where to
send
> > > > > > the samples and I will get them out
immediately.Your
> > friend,micromike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------
> > > D Adams
> > > d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> ----------------------
> D Adams
> d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
>
Daryl,
You have my permission to do anything that you want. I knew the
dangers of
sending the materials in petri dishes, yet that was my only choice.
The fly
was so small that I didn't have any kind of equipment to actually move
him.
It was pure luck that allowed me to get him into the petri dish to start
with. He seemed pretty durable, since I have shaken the dish to
turn him
over to get different pictures, so I think he probably survived.
You could
see him with the naked eye, if you looked carefully from the bottom
while
holding the dish over your head. Anyway, his eventual fate is not
near as
important to me as the fact that you are taking this situation seriously
and
are determined to find the truth of this matter. If the fly is
lost, but
you help "find" the rest of the meteorite and its contents,
then mankind is
still the winner in this matter. So go ahead and open the
containers and
use your best skills to accomplish whatever tasks you deem necessary.
I
think the electron microscopy is a good place to start, but don't forget
the
DNA, which might be the shortest and most conclusive route to finding
the
truth. I'm just dying to know if the little glassy creatures have
DNA and
also to see if any of the other body parts still have DNA. If I'm
not
mistaken, 13 million year old DNA would be a story of some sort, since
it
decays quickly on Earth. Also, don't worry too much about anything
that
might be damaged from shipment. The Frass Meteorite is
definitely full of
stuff and many more items await discovery, with the chance to ship under
better conditions with better containers. I feel pretty sure that
the fly
is still in the petri, especially if you haven't opened it yet. If
it is
broken up, then that just means that we have pieces that we can test for
DNA
without having to "break" it up ourselves. I believe in
finding the good in
all events. So don't worry too much about these matters.
Proceed at
whatever speed you feel comfortable and I will support you in whatever
manner that I can. As I said earlier, you will find a number of
pieces of
once living things within the sand that I sent you and you may make some
discovery of your own.
Thanks again for your efforts and your gentle spirit.
Your friend,
micromike
----- Original Message -----
From: D Adams <d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU>
To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: thanks
> Hi Mike,
>
> There is still a good bit of debris in the flies petri dish.
I will
> use a much higher scope and see what it is. I just hope the
shipping
> and banging around in the petri dish did not "grind" it
up. If it did,
> I will protect what is left and stabilize it as best I can.
>
> I would like to begin with some electron microscopy of the
insect-like
> samples. This procedure involves mounting the specimen on a
small
> aluminum stud and coating it with a mixture of gold and palladium.
The
> specimen is stabilized and protected and can then be stored in
small
> hermetically sealed container with a dessicant. It can then
be
> examined by anyone, anywhere, and should not degrade. I am
sorry we
> did not have the chance to discuss the packing of the samples prior
to
> shipping. I could have sent you some containers designed to
handle
> very fragile specimens. Petri dishes are good for samples
that are
> "stuck" to the bottoms but they are not so good for
things that roll
> around. Most people don't know that Petri dishes (especially
glass
> ones) are designed not to fit together tightly. They need to
breathe
> and there is a space between the lid and the bottom.
>
> I have not opened any of the dishes yet and I don't plan to until
we
> agree on a few things. I want to take this very slow and not
rush
> around and screw it up. The first thing I would like to work
with is
> the dish containing either the intact fly or the parts. I
would like
> you permission to open the dish, remove any material that seems to
be
> part of the fly and use a scanning electron microscope to view and
> photograph the material. The photograhs can then be sent
anywhere to
> be examined. At the same time, I would like to send "big
grey" to a
> paleogeologist for his opinion. As the results come in, we
can proceed
> with another step.
>
> Daryl
> On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:11:13 -0500 "micromike.com" <mike@micromike.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Daryl,
> > The fly is probably smaller than the spider. It is the
only thing in
the
> > petri dish. It was loose, but it should have survived
OK. You can just
see
> > it with the naked eye, but the pictures I took were probably
about 50
power.
> > The colony petri dish is the same colony as shown on
marsmeteorite.com.
You
> > can see the before and after pictures of how much it has
grown. (I
first
> > noticed these things were "growing" out of the
meteorite about 7 years
ago,
> > but at that time I just couldn't believe they were actually
alive.)
These
> > things are "sticky" and all of these pieces of
debris in the same dish
have
> > become stuck to them. Please feel free to take a sample
of any of the
> > colony creatures or any of the pieces of debris for use in DNA
or other
> > testing. Please remember that these things are
"growing" throughout the
> > entire rock. I have found these things growing in the
inner most core
> > sample that I have taken and I know that they have not had
water or much
> > light in the almost thirty years that I have had the rock.
> > I so much appreciate your interest and work in this matter.
I really
don't
> > understand why the other scientists have not trusted me in
this matter.
I
> > don't know where they would think I would get a rock that is
partly 50
> > million years old. I couldn't make up these little
creatures and the
debris
> > that surrounds them. If you will look through the sandy
material, you
will
> > find your own little pieces of once living creatures and you
will be the
> > first to see them. Even my mother saw this rock when I
found it and at
> > least 100 people have seen it since I found it and have heard
the story
of
> > its fall and that I thought it was probably from Mars. I
have offered
> > several times to take a lie detector test, yet they still
wouldn't
believe
> > me. It's very frustrating, but then if you follow
through, then I think
> > everything will be OK. I just can't tell you how much I
appreciate your
> > open mind and good scientific attitude.
> > The fly is so delicate, it could "fly" out with just
a breath of air
from
> > someone breathing. But I do know it was there when I
shipped the petri.
> > Your friend,
> > micromike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D Adams <d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU>
> > To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: thanks
> >
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > I had some time so I unpacked the box. I found the
Petri dish with
the
> > > "colony" and some fragments. It seems to
have survived the trip just
> > > fine. I also found the plastic container with 2
Petri dishes. One is
> > > marked "fly" and the other "spider."
The "spider" and his detached leg
> > > seem to have survived OK. I can tell you from this
first look that it
> > > is an exoskeleton of whatever it was. The exit slit
is still visible.
> > >
> > > I am having a little difficulty locating the
"fly." I find a mass of
> > > somewhat transparent material that is sort of tied
together. It looks
> > > like it belongs together. I am assumming this is
the "fly." If not,
> > > you will have to help me on this one. For instance,
what would the
> > > fly's relative size be to the "spider."
Maybe I need a higher
> > > magnification.
> > >
> > > The two vials are also OK. The "ocean"
and the "big grey" are there.
> > >
> > > Thanks and I will keep you posted.
> > >
> > > Daryl
> > > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:09:17 -0500 "marslife.com"
> > > <registration@marslife.com>
wrote:
> > >
> > > > Daryl,
> > > > I wrote you once today and then I received this
letter. As you must
> > know by
> > > > now, I have sent you a lot of items including the
little flying
insect.
> > You
> > > > should take a day or two and just look at what you
have and read my
web
> > > > pages if possible.
> > > > The collection history of the rock is very simple.
I had been
working
> > on
> > > > my great aunt's ranch for about a year when we came
across the rock.
My
> > > > aunt had owed the ranch for about 50 years. We
were making our
regular
> > > > rounds and both of us spotted the rock from about
1/2 mile away.
Our
> > job
> > > > was to observe and look for cattle, so this rock
stuck out like a
sore
> > > > thumb. My aunt agreed that it had never been
there before and we
had
> > been
> > > > to that pasture the day before and it was not there.
The chemistry
and
> > > > ages do not match any volcanoes of Texas, NM, or
Colorado (see
> > > > www.marsmeteorite.com
for more info). I approached the rock
carefully
> > and
> > > > found that none of the materials around the rock
were disturbed in
any
> > way.
> > > > It was winter time and the sandy soil had a hard
crust on the top
and
> > one
> > > > could see that no creature or human had made any
marks anywhere near
the
> > > > rock. There was a slight depression about
18" away and it looked to
me
> > like
> > > > the rock had bounced one small time. My aunt
didn't give me much
time,
> > but
> > > > that scene is burned into my memory.
> > > > Also, I forgot to tell you to examine the red
material that is
> > associated
> > > > with the colony. I have found several pieces
of this stuff in the
> > > > meteorite. I put a drop of water on the colony
piece and it melted.
I
> > > > thought it was a rock before I put the water on it
and pictures
before
> > and
> > > > after are at marsmeteorite. Select colony.
I believe that this
> > material
> > > > might be the "food" store of these little
glassy creatures, but I
don't
> > > > know. I would love to have it analyzed to see
what it is.
> > > > Please let me know if you have additional questions
and I will work
with
> > you
> > > > at any level to make sure that you are successful in
your attempts
to
> > > > understand what I have sent you. Also, please
point out the ages of
> > this
> > > > material to your friend. Both rocks (red
and gray) are so delicate
> > that
> > > > you can break them with your finger nail, yet they
are both very old
by
> > > > Earthly standards, since the Himalayas have risen
from beneath the
ocean
> > in
> > > > less time than either of the rocks have been around.
I didn't
include
> > any
> > > > of the outer fusion crust. Also included is a
small piece of glass
that
> > > > apparently was made when the sand in a vesicle was
melted as the
> > meteorite
> > > > came through our atmosphere.
> > > > Thanks again for all that you are doing and please
have fun. My job
as
> > a
> > > > philosopher is to understand the overviews of
nature. But as a
human
> > being,
> > > > I would like to help every other human being on the
planet. If you
love
> > > > biology, then I think it would be a big help to you
and your career
to
> > study
> > > > life from other planets. As a child, I never
thought I would come
into
> > > > contact with life from another planet, but the
evidence now has me
> > convinced
> > > > that in God's infinite wisdom, somehow he choose me
to get this most
> > > > important rock. As a scientist, I am
just grateful to see these
> > wonders.
> > > > But I hope this rock helps to make you a better and
happier
biologist.
> > > > Your friend,
> > > > micromike
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: D Adams <d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU>
> > > > To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 3:02 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You are right on money about my set-up.
Oh well, I stared with
IBM
> > and
> > > > > even took a course in DOS but abandoned it
before windows existed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know it is hard to trust if you have been
burned. All I can say
is
> > > > > that I am serious about this and will do
whatever I can to help.
I
> > may
> > > > > not be able to provide you with an explanation
or even gain access
to
> > > > > the people that can help but I will not abandon
you. You have my
> > > > > e-mail, my departmental address, and I will
also provide you with
> > phone
> > > > > numbers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Departmental - 507-389-2786
> > > > > FAX - 507-389-2788
> > > > > Office 507-389-1778
> > > > >
> > > > > You can always reach me through these numbers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I talked with my Paleogeologist about looking
at a sample. I did
not
> > > > > give him any details, I want the evaluation to
be unbiased. I
think
> > > > > that is a good place to start. With that
in mind, sending the
very
> > > > > fragile and easily damaged insects may not be
in your best
interest.
> > > > > How about we start with a more representative
piece of the rock.
> > Let's
> > > > > see what the "read" is on it first.
Is it a common type of rock,
has
> > > > > this person encountered it before, does it get
his attention?? We
can
> > > > > them move on to more specific items and tests.
How does that
sound?
> > > > >
> > > > > I will also need to know the complete
collection history behind
the
> > > > > rock. As you already know, the
"results" of any competent
examination
> > > > > will depend on exact information about the
history of the rock
itself.
> > > > > Who found it? Where was it found?
Was it removed from strata? I
> > > > > think you know the drill.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lets start slow. The person who has
agreed to evaluate this rock
is
> > > > > an expert in the field and has been examining
these types of finds
for
> > > > > decades. He knows his stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking forward to getting us started on this
adventure, wherever
it
> > > > > may take us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Daryl
> > > > > On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:07:05 -0500 "marslife.com"
> > > > > <registration@marslife.com>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Daryl,
> > > > > > I have been burned, but that doesn't mean
I can't trust you and
move
> > > > > > forward. In April of last year, I
contacted my congressman and
> > senators
> > > > and
> > > > > > asked for their help. Eventually,
they appointed Virgil "Buck"
> > Sharpton
> > > > as
> > > > > > the person that would help me. We
talked on the phone at least
5
> > times
> > > > and
> > > > > > I wrote him at least 20 letters as we
planned what tests needed
to
> > be
> > > > done
> > > > > > and how we could find a paleontologist and
etc. After months of
> > this,
> > > > Buck
> > > > > > just moved to Alaska, didn't give me a new
e-mail address and
turned
> > the
> > > > > > whole thing over to Alan Treiman, who was
one of the three
original
> > > > people
> > > > > > that I had been arguing with for the
entire 3 year period. So I
am
> > > > willing
> > > > > > to walk the walk and time is not important
to me. What is
important
> > is
> > > > > > getting to the bottom of this mystery and
making humanity aware
that
> > > > life
> > > > > > evolved on more than one planet, it that
is what the evidence
shows.
> > > > All I
> > > > > > want is to be able to have my voice heard
in this process, since
I
> > have
> > > > been
> > > > > > studying this rock almost full time over
the last three years or
so.
> > > > > > I am sending you several different objects
including the flying
> > insect.
> > > > I
> > > > > > will also send my little spider creature
and several pieces of
> > debris
> > > > that
> > > > > > appear to be from some kind of plant.
Also, I will send at
least
> > one
> > > > colony
> > > > > > of the living things. Also, I will
send you a representative
sample
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > sandy material that comes from within the
rock that I believe
> > represents
> > > > the
> > > > > > ancient ocean bottom of Mars. I will
send you a piece of the
gray
> > rock
> > > > that
> > > > > > is 13 million years old and I will send
you a piece of the red
rock
> > > > which is
> > > > > > 49 million years old. Then you will
have a good representation
of
> > all
> > > > the
> > > > > > parts of the rock that I have been able to
identify.
> > > > > > Thanks for your attention. It is
kind of hard to trust you, but
> > that is
> > > > my
> > > > > > nature. As an example of my
problems, recently (within the last
6
> > > > months) I
> > > > > > had a guy from California write me and
tell me that he didn't
> > understand
> > > > why
> > > > > > NASA wouldn't look at the rock and he said
that he would be near
the
> > > > > > necessary equipment this summer and that
he would do additional
> > > > elemental
> > > > > > oxides analysis, which is something I
need. Then, I thought
that I
> > > > didn't
> > > > > > know him, so I wrote Dr. Treiman and asked
him if this guy was a
> > > > legitimate
> > > > > > person. Dr. Treiman wrote me
back that he did know this guy,
but
> > that
> > > > he
> > > > > > didn't know anything about additional
tests. To make a long
story
> > short,
> > > > I
> > > > > > have written this guy 4 or 5 times now,
and he won't even answer
my
> > > > e-mail.
> > > > > > What is so ironic, is that the piece of
the rock that I offered
him
> > for
> > > > > > study, is exactly where I took the sample
labeled Sand3 which
tests
> > > > Martian
> > > > > > by all accounts. But something
happened (Treiman wrote him) and
he
> > > > won't
> > > > > > even answer my e-mails and I just don't
understand. I thought
that
> > when
> > > > > > there was a controversy within science,
that additional tests
would
> > be
> > > > the
> > > > > > proper response to find the truth.
Oh well.
> > > > > > I joked to a computer friend of mine that
you probably had a MAC
and
> > > > were
> > > > > > using Netscape. That is one
combination that we can't test, so
it
> > may
> > > > the
> > > > > > problem reading my web sites. The
were all written for Explorer
and
> > you
> > > > can
> > > > > > download that free and have both browsers
on your computer, if
you
> > are
> > > > brave
> > > > > > enough. Anyway, I'll do whatever is
necessary to help you read
my
> > > > sites,
> > > > > > since much of my path has been documented
at my various sites.
I've
> > > > always
> > > > > > thought that one end of the net was
connected to a black hole,
> > because
> > > > most
> > > > > > of my letters tend to end up there.
I send light in and nothing
> > comes
> > > > back.
> > > > > > :-)
> > > > > > I will probably send the samples via Fed
Ex. All of the samples
are
> > in
> > > > > > petri dishes and I don't know anyway to
fix them to the dishes.
All
> > of
> > > > > > these samples are very small and a single
breath can send them
> > flying
> > > > away,
> > > > > > so be really careful with each of these
samples.
> > > > > > Your friend,
> > > > > > micromike
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
> > > > > > To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 9:24 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am sorry you have been burned in
the past. Sadly, science
is
> > > > > > > conducted by humans and there is no
"entrance requirement" to
> > become
> > > > > > > one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am using a Mac Powerbook G3 and
running Netscape
Communicator
> > 4.0.
> > > > Oh
> > > > > > > well, I still think part of the net
and computer stuff is part
> > "black
> > > > > > > magic" sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't - sometimes I
> > think
> > > > the
> > > > > > > way you hold your mouth has something
to do with it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As far as the samples, please send
plenty information with
what
> > you
> > > > > > > send. I am not as "up to
speed" on this stuff as others.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The address is:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > D. Daryl Adams, Ph.D.
> > > > > > > Department of Biological Sciences
> > > > > > > Minnesota State University
> > > > > > > Mankato, MN 56002
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All I can say about trust is that you
have my word that I am
> > honest
> > > > and
> > > > > > > trustworthy. If you feel the least
bit worried at any point in
> > this
> > > > > > > journey, please tell me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the trust.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daryl
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "marslife.com" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daryl,I understand everything
that you have said and I agree
> > with
> > > > > > > > you. I am a scientist and
have worked in cell biology labs
and
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > never had trouble getting along
with anyone. I never
thought
> > that I
> > > > > > > > would have trouble with this
meteorite. Actually, the main
> > reason I
> > > > > > > > never "brought it out"
before was because I was afraid that
the
> > > > > > > > scientist would take it away
from me. Now I find that I
can't
> > even
> > > > > > > > give it away.:-)If you will give
me the address, I will send
> > samples
> > > > > > > > to you or your friend.
There are some other simple tests
that I
> > > > wish
> > > > > > > > we could get done also. We
need a density measurement,
since
> > > > material
> > > > > > > > made in a lesser gravitational
force, should be less dense
than
> > > > > > > > Earthly material. Also, I
have never been able to get a
"true"
> > > > > > > > measurement of the elemental
oxides because of the mixing
with
> > the
> > > > > > > > sandy material (see Review at www.martianchronicle.com)
so
we
> > don't
> > > > > > > > have any measurements of the red
lava (50ma).I don't know
why
> > you
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > had trouble visiting my sites.
They are all "straight" html
and
> > I
> > > > > > > > used them as a tool to teach my
son how to do web sites, so
all
> > of
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > sites should work fine on your
computer. What kind of
computer
> > do
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > have and what browser are you
using?I very much appreciate
your
> > > > > > > > attitude. All I have tried
to do this entire last three
years
> > was
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > get an honest and open review of
this rock before a group of
> > > > scientist
> > > > > > > > from different areas of study.
You seem to be offering to
help
> > me
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > I very much respect you for
that. However, I'm almost "gun
shy"
> > > > since
> > > > > > > > I have been mislead by so many
scientists in this matter.
But I
> > > > hope
> > > > > > > > that you understand that I very
much respect the scientific
> > > > community
> > > > > > > > and still view them through the
eyes of my childhood. In my
> > > > > > > > childhood, there was God and
scientists and they were both
> > pretty
> > > > > > > > close to each other. So my
nature is to love and trust
> > scientist,
> > > > > > > > even though I feel burned right
now.Please let me know where
to
> > send
> > > > > > > > the samples and I will get them
out immediately.Your
> > > > friend,micromike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------
> > > > > D Adams
> > > > > d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------
> > > D Adams
> > > d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> ----------------------
> D Adams
> d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
>
>
Daryl,
I understand all that you say, yet the facts in this case are much
different
than the shroud. My K-AR dates are consistent with Mars and
inconsistent
with Earth. Since I am the only one who found this meteorite, I am
the only
one that can trust my own senses when it comes to determining what
happened
and how to interpret it. I know that the rock was not there the
day before
and that all of the circumstances of its arrival are consistent with a
meteorite. The fusion crust clearly shows its transition through
our
atmosphere. Both the 49 and 13 ma materials are melted together
and the
streaks run through both of them. There is no Earthly way that a
volcano on
Earth could have lava flow into a sandy bed and then 36 million years
pass
and have nothing happen. Then that same volcano would have to flow
again
into the same sandy area after all that time. And then, the rock
would have
to get above the Earth so that the sand could melt and the rock could
fall
where I found it. Once all the information is out about the
meteorite, it
is going to seem remarkable to most people that the rock was doubted for
so
long. Meteorites fall on our planet daily and are much more common
that
many have been led to believe. But I will patiently await your
findings,
since I believe you are open and honest about the process and that is
all I
have wanted for some time. So I will accept the findings if you
determine
the rock is terrestrial. But will you accept the findings if it
proves to
be extraterrestrial? :-) I have been trying to find someone like
you for
over three years. I wouldn't be trying unless I had good evidence
to
proceed. Why would I want to put myself through this torture if I
didn't
think humanity had much to gain from the knowledge contained within this
rock? As a philosopher of science, I am much happier being alone
and
walking in nature trying to understand what I see. I don't even
like groups
of people, since, in some way, each person is as complex as the rest of
the
cosmos combined. I have spent many years alone learning about
nature and
keeping my thoughts to myself. I have only spoken out because I
think I
have something so valuable that I can't remain silent. The
meteorite
represents the answer to a childhood prayer, and to me, the true value
in
the rock has always been just to look at it and say to myself,
"Look, God
still answers prayers and miracles still happen!" So I
thought long and
hard before starting this quest. But once I start something, I
finish it.
I have always been a scientist, but the last 20 years of my life I have
made
my living solving complex computer problems. I know my logic and
the
computers have been like a logical friend that always checks to see if I
am
right. I have never seen a computer problem that I couldn't solve.
Therefore, I bring that same logic to understanding the things I see in
the
Frass Meteorite. I didn't start this process out with any specific
thing in
mind. All I wanted was to find the truth. My models
for its creation have
continued to change and evolve as I have gained more evidence. I
haven't
even told anyone all the evidence that I have collected in many
different
areas of science. So please don't worry about me. Just do
the best you can
to look at what you have with an open mind and try to determine the
truth,
where ever it takes you. My life is about finding the truth and
determining
what is real. It would do me no good to lie to myself or to anyone
else, if
I truly search for the truth.
Thanks again for your efforts. I really appreciate what you are
doing, and
if I am right, and you help me prove it, you have to understand that you
will write your own name in the history books in a very important way.
So
search for the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
Your friend,
micromike
PS Did you see the news about the meteorite with salt water within?
You
might find some within the inner vesicles of some of the red rock.
The
bottle with the gray rock also has a piece of the red rock in it.
Also, the
petri I sent you with the fly in it, was brand new when I put the fly in
it.
So anything in it is either particles from its creation process or they
belong to the fly critter.
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: thanks
> Thanks Mike. I will proceed and keep you informed. I haven't
forgotten
about
> the DNA. The electron Microscopy is just a good first step.
>
> I will try to locate the fly before I open the dish. If I
can't find him,
I
> need to find a place where there is no draft or chance that anyone
will
open a
> door and send the material flying.
>
> I will send you results as I get them.
>
> Now for the hard part. I know you have spent a great deal of
time and
energy
> on this project. It is evident from your website and all the
contacts you
have
> tried to make. You have quite a bit riding on the outcome of
this
scientific
> investigation. I think your position that you are a
"Philosopher of
Science"
> is critical. You may have to deal with the outcome
philosophically. In
the
> final analysis, it really does not matter if the material is truly
> extraterrestrial. What matters is that we are willing to
look, to
investigate,
> and to explore.
>
> It is much like the Shroud of Turin. Carbon dating has shown
that it
cannot be
> the burial cloth of Jesus but that does not deter the faithful that
it can
be
> viewed as such. To them, it doesn't matter.
>
> If the results show that your find is consistent with Earthly
creatures
and
> minerals, don't take it so hard. You did everything right.
You worked to
> bring something to the attention of the world. You are not
responsible
for
> what it was or is. Your job was to alert people and inform
people and you
have
> done a great job of it. Take pride in that. Don't think
that you have
failed
> in any way if the results are not what you expect. We are not
in control
of
> the outcome - just the process.
>
> Be philosophical. Be proud. Not many people would have
devoted the time
and
> energy you have for something where the rewards are few and the
battles so
> many.
>
> Daryl
>
> "micromike.com" wrote:
>
> > Daryl,
> > You have my permission to do anything that you want. I
knew the dangers
of
> > sending the materials in petri dishes, yet that was my only
choice. The
fly
> > was so small that I didn't have any kind of equipment to
actually move
him.
> > It was pure luck that allowed me to get him into the petri
dish to start
> > with. He seemed pretty durable, since I have shaken the
dish to turn
him
> > over to get different pictures, so I think he probably
survived. You
could
> > see him with the naked eye, if you looked carefully from the
bottom
while
> > holding the dish over your head. Anyway, his eventual
fate is not near
as
> > important to me as the fact that you are taking this situation
seriously
and
> > are determined to find the truth of this matter. If the
fly is lost,
but
> > you help "find" the rest of the meteorite and its
contents, then mankind
is
> > still the winner in this matter. So go ahead and open
the containers
and
> > use your best skills to accomplish whatever tasks you deem
necessary.
I
> > think the electron microscopy is a good place to start, but
don't forget
the
> > DNA, which might be the shortest and most conclusive route to
finding
the
> > truth. I'm just dying to know if the little glassy
creatures have DNA
and
> > also to see if any of the other body parts still have DNA.
If I'm not
> > mistaken, 13 million year old DNA would be a story of some
sort, since
it
> > decays quickly on Earth. Also, don't worry too much
about anything that
> > might be damaged from shipment. The Frass
Meteorite is definitely full
of
> > stuff and many more items await discovery, with the chance to
ship under
> > better conditions with better containers. I feel pretty
sure that the
fly
> > is still in the petri, especially if you haven't opened it
yet. If it
is
> > broken up, then that just means that we have pieces that we
can test for
DNA
> > without having to "break" it up ourselves. I
believe in finding the
good in
> > all events. So don't worry too much about these matters.
Proceed at
> > whatever speed you feel comfortable and I will support you in
whatever
> > manner that I can. As I said earlier, you will find a
number of pieces
of
> > once living things within the sand that I sent you and you may
make some
> > discovery of your own.
> > Thanks again for your efforts and your gentle spirit.
> > Your friend,
> > micromike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D Adams <d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU>
> > To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: thanks
> >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > There is still a good bit of debris in the flies petri
dish. I will
> > > use a much higher scope and see what it is. I just
hope the shipping
> > > and banging around in the petri dish did not
"grind" it up. If it
did,
> > > I will protect what is left and stabilize it as best I
can.
> > >
> > > I would like to begin with some electron microscopy of
the insect-like
> > > samples. This procedure involves mounting the
specimen on a small
> > > aluminum stud and coating it with a mixture of gold and
palladium.
The
> > > specimen is stabilized and protected and can then be
stored in small
> > > hermetically sealed container with a dessicant. It
can then be
> > > examined by anyone, anywhere, and should not degrade.
I am sorry we
> > > did not have the chance to discuss the packing of the
samples prior to
> > > shipping. I could have sent you some containers
designed to handle
> > > very fragile specimens. Petri dishes are good for
samples that are
> > > "stuck" to the bottoms but they are not so good
for things that roll
> > > around. Most people don't know that Petri dishes
(especially glass
> > > ones) are designed not to fit together tightly.
They need to breathe
> > > and there is a space between the lid and the bottom.
> > >
> > > I have not opened any of the dishes yet and I don't plan
to until we
> > > agree on a few things. I want to take this very
slow and not rush
> > > around and screw it up. The first thing I would
like to work with is
> > > the dish containing either the intact fly or the parts.
I would like
> > > you permission to open the dish, remove any material that
seems to be
> > > part of the fly and use a scanning electron microscope to
view and
> > > photograph the material. The photograhs can then be
sent anywhere to
> > > be examined. At the same time, I would like to send
"big grey" to a
> > > paleogeologist for his opinion. As the results come
in, we can
proceed
> > > with another step.
> > >
> > > Daryl
> > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:11:13 -0500
"micromike.com"
<mike@micromike.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Daryl,
> > > > The fly is probably smaller than the spider.
It is the only thing
in
> > the
> > > > petri dish. It was loose, but it should have
survived OK. You can
just
> > see
> > > > it with the naked eye, but the pictures I took were
probably about
50
> > power.
> > > > The colony petri dish is the same colony as shown on
marsmeteorite.com.
> > You
> > > > can see the before and after pictures of how much it
has grown. (I
> > first
> > > > noticed these things were "growing" out of
the meteorite about 7
years
> > ago,
> > > > but at that time I just couldn't believe they were
actually alive.)
> > These
> > > > things are "sticky" and all of these
pieces of debris in the same
dish
> > have
> > > > become stuck to them. Please feel free to take
a sample of any of
the
> > > > colony creatures or any of the pieces of debris for
use in DNA or
other
> > > > testing. Please remember that these things are
"growing" throughout
the
> > > > entire rock. I have found these things growing
in the inner most
core
> > > > sample that I have taken and I know that they have
not had water or
much
> > > > light in the almost thirty years that I have had the
rock.
> > > > I so much appreciate your interest and work in this
matter. I
really
> > don't
> > > > understand why the other scientists have not trusted
me in this
matter.
> > I
> > > > don't know where they would think I would get a rock
that is partly
50
> > > > million years old. I couldn't make up these
little creatures and
the
> > debris
> > > > that surrounds them. If you will look through
the sandy material,
you
> > will
> > > > find your own little pieces of once living creatures
and you will be
the
> > > > first to see them. Even my mother saw this
rock when I found it and
at
> > > > least 100 people have seen it since I found it and
have heard the
story
> > of
> > > > its fall and that I thought it was probably from
Mars. I have
offered
> > > > several times to take a lie detector test, yet they
still wouldn't
> > believe
> > > > me. It's very frustrating, but then if you
follow through, then I
think
> > > > everything will be OK. I just can't tell you
how much I appreciate
your
> > > > open mind and good scientific attitude.
> > > > The fly is so delicate, it could "fly" out
with just a breath of air
> > from
> > > > someone breathing. But I do know it was there
when I shipped the
petri.
> > > > Your friend,
> > > > micromike
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: D Adams <d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU>
> > > > To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:35 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > I had some time so I unpacked the box. I
found the Petri dish
with
> > the
> > > > > "colony" and some fragments. It
seems to have survived the trip
just
> > > > > fine. I also found the plastic container
with 2 Petri dishes.
One is
> > > > > marked "fly" and the other
"spider." The "spider" and his detached
leg
> > > > > seem to have survived OK. I can tell you
from this first look
that it
> > > > > is an exoskeleton of whatever it was. The
exit slit is still
visible.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am having a little difficulty locating the
"fly." I find a mass
of
> > > > > somewhat transparent material that is sort of
tied together. It
looks
> > > > > like it belongs together. I am assumming
this is the "fly." If
not,
> > > > > you will have to help me on this one. For
instance, what would
the
> > > > > fly's relative size be to the
"spider." Maybe I need a higher
> > > > > magnification.
> > > > >
> > > > > The two vials are also OK. The
"ocean" and the "big grey" are
there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks and I will keep you posted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Daryl
> > > > > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:09:17 -0500 "marslife.com"
> > > > > <registration@marslife.com>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Daryl,
> > > > > > I wrote you once today and then I received
this letter. As you
must
> > > > know by
> > > > > > now, I have sent you a lot of items
including the little flying
> > insect.
> > > > You
> > > > > > should take a day or two and just look at
what you have and read
my
> > web
> > > > > > pages if possible.
> > > > > > The collection history of the rock is very
simple. I had been
> > working
> > > > on
> > > > > > my great aunt's ranch for about a year
when we came across the
rock.
> > My
> > > > > > aunt had owed the ranch for about 50
years. We were making our
> > regular
> > > > > > rounds and both of us spotted the rock
from about 1/2 mile away.
> > Our
> > > > job
> > > > > > was to observe and look for cattle, so
this rock stuck out like
a
> > sore
> > > > > > thumb. My aunt agreed that it had
never been there before and
we
> > had
> > > > been
> > > > > > to that pasture the day before and it was
not there. The
chemistry
> > and
> > > > > > ages do not match any volcanoes of Texas,
NM, or Colorado (see
> > > > > > www.marsmeteorite.com
for more info). I approached the rock
> > carefully
> > > > and
> > > > > > found that none of the materials around
the rock were disturbed
in
> > any
> > > > way.
> > > > > > It was winter time and the sandy soil had
a hard crust on the
top
> > and
> > > > one
> > > > > > could see that no creature or human had
made any marks anywhere
near
> > the
> > > > > > rock. There was a slight depression
about 18" away and it
looked to
> > me
> > > > like
> > > > > > the rock had bounced one small time.
My aunt didn't give me
much
> > time,
> > > > but
> > > > > > that scene is burned into my memory.
> > > > > > Also, I forgot to tell you to examine the
red material that is
> > > > associated
> > > > > > with the colony. I have found
several pieces of this stuff in
the
> > > > > > meteorite. I put a drop of water on
the colony piece and it
melted.
> > I
> > > > > > thought it was a rock before I put the
water on it and pictures
> > before
> > > > and
> > > > > > after are at marsmeteorite. Select
colony. I believe that this
> > > > material
> > > > > > might be the "food" store of
these little glassy creatures, but
I
> > don't
> > > > > > know. I would love to have it
analyzed to see what it is.
> > > > > > Please let me know if you have additional
questions and I will
work
> > with
> > > > you
> > > > > > at any level to make sure that you are
successful in your
attempts
> > to
> > > > > > understand what I have sent you.
Also, please point out the
ages of
> > > > this
> > > > > > material to your friend. Both
rocks (red and gray) are so
delicate
> > > > that
> > > > > > you can break them with your finger nail,
yet they are both very
old
> > by
> > > > > > Earthly standards, since the Himalayas
have risen from beneath
the
> > ocean
> > > > in
> > > > > > less time than either of the rocks have
been around. I didn't
> > include
> > > > any
> > > > > > of the outer fusion crust. Also
included is a small piece of
glass
> > that
> > > > > > apparently was made when the sand in a
vesicle was melted as the
> > > > meteorite
> > > > > > came through our atmosphere.
> > > > > > Thanks again for all that you are doing
and please have fun. My
job
> > as
> > > > a
> > > > > > philosopher is to understand the overviews
of nature. But as a
> > human
> > > > being,
> > > > > > I would like to help every other human
being on the planet. If
you
> > love
> > > > > > biology, then I think it would be a big
help to you and your
career
> > to
> > > > study
> > > > > > life from other planets. As a child,
I never thought I would
come
> > into
> > > > > > contact with life from another planet, but
the evidence now has
me
> > > > convinced
> > > > > > that in God's infinite wisdom, somehow he
choose me to get this
most
> > > > > > important rock. As a
scientist, I am just grateful to see
these
> > > > wonders.
> > > > > > But I hope this rock helps to make you a
better and happier
> > biologist.
> > > > > > Your friend,
> > > > > > micromike
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: D Adams <d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU>
> > > > > > To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 3:02 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You are right on money about my
set-up. Oh well, I stared
with
> > IBM
> > > > and
> > > > > > > even took a course in DOS but
abandoned it before windows
existed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know it is hard to trust if you
have been burned. All I can
say
> > is
> > > > > > > that I am serious about this and will
do whatever I can to
help.
> > I
> > > > may
> > > > > > > not be able to provide you with an
explanation or even gain
access
> > to
> > > > > > > the people that can help but I will
not abandon you. You have
my
> > > > > > > e-mail, my departmental address, and
I will also provide you
with
> > > > phone
> > > > > > > numbers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Departmental - 507-389-2786
> > > > > > > FAX - 507-389-2788
> > > > > > > Office 507-389-1778
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can always reach me through these
numbers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I talked with my Paleogeologist about
looking at a sample. I
did
> > not
> > > > > > > give him any details, I want the
evaluation to be unbiased. I
> > think
> > > > > > > that is a good place to start.
With that in mind, sending the
> > very
> > > > > > > fragile and easily damaged insects
may not be in your best
> > interest.
> > > > > > > How about we start with a more
representative piece of the
rock.
> > > > Let's
> > > > > > > see what the "read" is on
it first. Is it a common type of
rock,
> > has
> > > > > > > this person encountered it before,
does it get his attention??
We
> > can
> > > > > > > them move on to more specific items
and tests. How does that
> > sound?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will also need to know the complete
collection history
behind
> > the
> > > > > > > rock. As you already know, the
"results" of any competent
> > examination
> > > > > > > will depend on exact information
about the history of the rock
> > itself.
> > > > > > > Who found it? Where was it
found? Was it removed from
strata? I
> > > > > > > think you know the drill.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lets start slow. The person who
has agreed to evaluate this
rock
> > is
> > > > > > > an expert in the field and has been
examining these types of
finds
> > for
> > > > > > > decades. He knows his stuff.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Looking forward to getting us started
on this adventure,
wherever
> > it
> > > > > > > may take us.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daryl
> > > > > > > On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:07:05 -0500
"marslife.com"
> > > > > > > <registration@marslife.com>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Daryl,
> > > > > > > > I have been burned, but that
doesn't mean I can't trust you
and
> > move
> > > > > > > > forward. In April of last
year, I contacted my congressman
and
> > > > senators
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > asked for their help.
Eventually, they appointed Virgil
"Buck"
> > > > Sharpton
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > the person that would help me.
We talked on the phone at
least
> > 5
> > > > times
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > I wrote him at least 20 letters
as we planned what tests
needed
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > and how we could find a
paleontologist and etc. After
months of
> > > > this,
> > > > > > Buck
> > > > > > > > just moved to Alaska, didn't
give me a new e-mail address
and
> > turned
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > whole thing over to Alan
Treiman, who was one of the three
> > original
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > that I had been arguing with for
the entire 3 year period.
So I
> > am
> > > > > > willing
> > > > > > > > to walk the walk and time is not
important to me. What is
> > important
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > getting to the bottom of this
mystery and making humanity
aware
> > that
> > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > evolved on more than one planet,
it that is what the
evidence
> > shows.
> > > > > > All I
> > > > > > > > want is to be able to have my
voice heard in this process,
since
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > studying this rock almost full
time over the last three
years or
> > so.
> > > > > > > > I am sending you several
different objects including the
flying
> > > > insect.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > will also send my little spider
creature and several pieces
of
> > > > debris
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > appear to be from some kind of
plant. Also, I will send at
> > least
> > > > one
> > > > > > colony
> > > > > > > > of the living things.
Also, I will send you a
representative
> > sample
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > sandy material that comes from
within the rock that I
believe
> > > > represents
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > ancient ocean bottom of Mars.
I will send you a piece of
the
> > gray
> > > > rock
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > is 13 million years old and I
will send you a piece of the
red
> > rock
> > > > > > which is
> > > > > > > > 49 million years old. Then
you will have a good
representation
> > of
> > > > all
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > parts of the rock that I have
been able to identify.
> > > > > > > > Thanks for your attention.
It is kind of hard to trust you,
but
> > > > that is
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > nature. As an example of
my problems, recently (within the
last
> > 6
> > > > > > months) I
> > > > > > > > had a guy from California write
me and tell me that he
didn't
> > > > understand
> > > > > > why
> > > > > > > > NASA wouldn't look at the rock
and he said that he would be
near
> > the
> > > > > > > > necessary equipment this summer
and that he would do
additional
> > > > > > elemental
> > > > > > > > oxides analysis, which is
something I need. Then, I thought
> > that I
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > know him, so I wrote Dr. Treiman
and asked him if this guy
was a
> > > > > > legitimate
> > > > > > > > person. Dr. Treiman
wrote me back that he did know this
guy,
> > but
> > > > that
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > didn't know anything about
additional tests. To make a long
> > story
> > > > short,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have written this guy 4 or 5
times now, and he won't even
answer
> > my
> > > > > > e-mail.
> > > > > > > > What is so ironic, is that the
piece of the rock that I
offered
> > him
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > study, is exactly where I took
the sample labeled Sand3
which
> > tests
> > > > > > Martian
> > > > > > > > by all accounts. But
something happened (Treiman wrote him)
and
> > he
> > > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > even answer my e-mails and I
just don't understand. I
thought
> > that
> > > > when
> > > > > > > > there was a controversy within
science, that additional
tests
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > proper response to find the
truth. Oh well.
> > > > > > > > I joked to a computer friend of
mine that you probably had a
MAC
> > and
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > using Netscape. That is
one combination that we can't test,
so
> > it
> > > > may
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > problem reading my web sites.
The were all written for
Explorer
> > and
> > > > you
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > download that free and have both
browsers on your computer,
if
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > > > brave
> > > > > > > > enough. Anyway, I'll do
whatever is necessary to help you
read
> > my
> > > > > > sites,
> > > > > > > > since much of my path has been
documented at my various
sites.
> > I've
> > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > thought that one end of the net
was connected to a black
hole,
> > > > because
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > of my letters tend to end up
there. I send light in and
nothing
> > > > comes
> > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > > :-)
> > > > > > > > I will probably send the samples
via Fed Ex. All of the
samples
> > are
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > petri dishes and I don't know
anyway to fix them to the
dishes.
> > All
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > these samples are very small and
a single breath can send
them
> > > > flying
> > > > > > away,
> > > > > > > > so be really careful with each
of these samples.
> > > > > > > > Your friend,
> > > > > > > > micromike
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
> > > > > > > > To: marslife.com <registration@marslife.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999
9:24 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: thanks
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am sorry you have been
burned in the past. Sadly,
science
> > is
> > > > > > > > > conducted by humans and
there is no "entrance requirement"
to
> > > > become
> > > > > > > > > one.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am using a Mac Powerbook
G3 and running Netscape
> > Communicator
> > > > 4.0.
> > > > > > Oh
> > > > > > > > > well, I still think part of
the net and computer stuff is
part
> > > > "black
> > > > > > > > > magic" sometimes it
works, sometimes it doesn't -
sometimes I
> > > > think
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > way you hold your mouth has
something to do with it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As far as the samples,
please send plenty information with
> > what
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > > send. I am not as
"up to speed" on this stuff as others.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The address is:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > D. Daryl Adams, Ph.D.
> > > > > > > > > Department of Biological
Sciences
> > > > > > > > > Minnesota State University
> > > > > > > > > Mankato, MN 56002
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > All I can say about trust
is that you have my word that I
am
> > > > honest
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > trustworthy. If you feel
the least bit worried at any
point in
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > > journey, please tell me.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the trust.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daryl
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "marslife.com"
wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Daryl,I understand
everything that you have said and I
agree
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > you. I am a
scientist and have worked in cell biology
labs
> > and
> > > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > never had trouble
getting along with anyone. I never
> > thought
> > > > that I
> > > > > > > > > > would have trouble
with this meteorite. Actually, the
main
> > > > reason I
> > > > > > > > > > never "brought it
out" before was because I was afraid
that
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > scientist would take
it away from me. Now I find that I
> > can't
> > > > even
> > > > > > > > > > give it away.:-)If you
will give me the address, I will
send
> > > > samples
> > > > > > > > > > to you or your friend.
There are some other simple
tests
> > that I
> > > > > > wish
> > > > > > > > > > we could get done
also. We need a density measurement,
> > since
> > > > > > material
> > > > > > > > > > made in a lesser
gravitational force, should be less
dense
> > than
> > > > > > > > > > Earthly material.
Also, I have never been able to get a
> > "true"
> > > > > > > > > > measurement of the
elemental oxides because of the
mixing
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > sandy material (see
Review at www.martianchronicle.com)
so
> > we
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > have any measurements
of the red lava (50ma).I don't
know
> > why
> > > > you
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > had trouble visiting
my sites. They are all "straight"
html
> > and
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > used them as a tool to
teach my son how to do web sites,
so
> > all
> > > > of
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > sites should work fine
on your computer. What kind of
> > computer
> > > > do
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > have and what browser
are you using?I very much
appreciate
> > your
> > > > > > > > > > attitude. All I
have tried to do this entire last three
> > years
> > > > was
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > get an honest and open
review of this rock before a
group of
> > > > > > scientist
> > > > > > > > > > from different areas
of study. You seem to be offering
to
> > help
> > > > me
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > I very much respect
you for that. However, I'm almost
"gun
> > shy"
> > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > > > I have been mislead by
so many scientists in this
matter.
> > But I
> > > > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > that you understand
that I very much respect the
scientific
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > and still view them
through the eyes of my childhood.
In my
> > > > > > > > > > childhood, there was
God and scientists and they were
both
> > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > > close to each other.
So my nature is to love and trust
> > > > scientist,
> > > > > > > > > > even though I feel
burned right now.Please let me know
where
> > to
> > > > send
> > > > > > > > > > the samples and I will
get them out immediately.Your
> > > > > > friend,micromike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----------------------
> > > > > > > D Adams
> > > > > > > d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------
> > > > > D Adams
> > > > > d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------
> > > D Adams
> > > d.adams@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
> > >
> > >
>
>
Daryl,
The K-Ar tests were done by Geochron labs.
You can see the pictures of these reports at www.marsmeteorite.com.
I had three separate tests done. The first came back at 28ma and
was a combination of the two types of rocks. This test was done
before I could recognize the gray and red rock. (PS, if you will
put the two types of rock in natural sunlight, you can more easily see
the difference between the two types.) Then later, I took the core
sample which gave me a pure testing of the gray rock (13ma) and I spent
one whole week picking out the little red rocks that were inside the
gray rock. I knew they had to be older and by that time I had come
to be able to recognize them. So I sent the little red rocks away
and they came back at 49ma. So I have very good data with a
separate control composed of the mixture of the two. The gentleman
who did the tests was very careful and knew what I was claiming about
the rocks. However, since he didn't have anything to loose, he was
very open and honest with me and said that he would testify to the
validity of the tests if it ever became necessary. If you notice
in the review document, Alan Treiman just ignored the age tests and
concluded the rock was 49ma. I don't know how he could
logically do that. I have the evidence, I just don't have the
opinions of the meteorite experts. They judge the entire matter,
just on the fusion crust. If they don't like the fusion crust,
then it isn't a meteorite to them. Never mind that three separate
geologists have said that the entire outer surface is melted (and after
the sand was deposited), the meteorite experts just say it isn't melted
enough. (I wonder how they think they have seen every type of
meteorite that might fall. Surely a rock with many vesicles and
very thin walls and made of large amounts of silicon would have
different results than a flat rock that falls through our atmosphere).
If I could ever argue my evidence before a logical and open minded group
of scientist, I think I have enough evidence to prove my point at this
time. But of course, your work could add large exclamation points
to everything, one way or another. If it becomes necessary, maybe
we could bring the rock to you, or maybe you could come spend a day or
two with us and see the rock and meet me and my friends and learn what
kind of people we really are. Keep up the good work.
Your friend,
micromike
Daryl,
I agree with you that life would evolve differently
on different planets. I have thought about this issue a lot before
the Frass Meteorite and almost constantly ever since. I think the
DNA will be different, but there is a chance it could be similar, even
if it did come from Mars. Remember, what the Frass Meteorite
means is that our planet has probably been peppered with meteorites
containing life and/or life parts for most of its history. What it
looks like to me, is that life is probably everywhere in our solar
system and that Mars certainly had its own evolution. (However, I
do think there is a limit to the complexity of life that could make a
natural trip from Mars to Earth and the little glassies would be about
the upper limit of complexity) But what would one expect to happen on
Mars, as compared to Earth? Well Earth is larger and has more
intrinsic energy. Also, Earth is closer to the sun and thus
receives more energy than would Mars. Also, Earth has a very large
moon and this has definitely been a great impact on the evolution of
life on our planet. So over all, I would think that life wouldn't
have as much energy to work with on Mars and thus evolution would
proceed slower. Also, since Mars has already used up most of its
energy and is now essentially "dead," one would expect that
evolution had already had its "hay day" and would now be in
the final stages. Most of the species would be gone and the
surviving few would have to be simple things that fed off the remains of
the work of all the other living things.
Also, I very much suspect that Mars life evolved
more from a chemical base rather than the sunlight base of terrestrial
creatures (and hopefully this would show up in DNA). It now
appears that Mars had a very active life until a few million years ago
(about 45 is what I suspect). Mars was powered by a few very large
volcanoes that were apparently active for almost the entire history of
Mars. We know this because volcanoes didn't cover all of the
planet, just part. Also, crater counts of asteroid impacts show us
how old different surfaces might be and it now looks like the volcanoes
were active until about 50-100ma) Those parts that weren't covered
by volcanoes are very old (4.5ga) which means they are part of the
original foundation of the planet: material that was melted at the
formation of the planet, but which hasn't been melted since. All
of the rest of the Martian meteorites are very young and the recent 3D
maps of Mars show that Mars never had the moving tectonic plates as did
Earth. The volcanoes kept covering part of the planet right up
to the end. Thus, Mars represents a much simpler system than Earth.
A few stable volcanoes furnish the atmosphere and replenish the single
ocean. Also, these volcanoes just went through a single
"life" that covered billions of years, where Earthly volcanoes
are measured in thousands of years and the planet has seen many
"lives" of many volcanoes. Essentially this provided the
planet with a very stable place to evolve life. A few large
asteroid collisions through the ages probably disrupted things, but over
time, the single stable ocean provided a counter balance to the lack of
energy. This would lead to less niches on Mars as compared to
Earth. On Mars, life didn't have as many different choices, so
life involved less specialization.
All of this is consistent with everything that I
have seen that came from the Frass Meteorite. There is a lot of
insect like creatures (which are the most plentiful species on Earth)
but nothing more complicated. And every insect looks very
primitive to me. There is very little specialization of head parts
or feet parts. There has been nothing that looks like a bone or
something out of a mammal or reptile or bird. Also, everything is
very small. That fits with the size of the reported
"bacteria" in ALH 84001 which are about the tenth the size of
terrestrial bacteria.
Also, all of the material in the meteorite is
consistent with its generation by a single stable volcanic system that
was at least 50 million years old, since we have that date as fact.
There is not a single particle recovered from the meteorite that has
ever been under the surface of a planet. Think about that.
Nothing squashed in over 50 million years. Every single particle
was generated near the surface and remained there intact. I think
the linear chemistry of the five elemental oxides tests of the Frass
Meteorite clearly demonstrate that almost every particle in the Frass
Meteorite was made from the same source material. Some was just
melted more than the others and thus the concentration of silicon was
increased. (Also, the five tests represent the entire range of
material from Earthly volcanoes) Some day, I suspect that this
linear chemistry will be a clear indication of proof of Martian origin,
since I think it unlikely that other planets or moons in our solar
system have had stable volcanoes for their entire life time.
Anyway, I suspect that life on Mars did evolve
along a somehow different chemical basis than did Earth. Remember
the Viking life tests? They seemed to indicate life, but yet fell
short. Maybe we just had the wrong assumptions about life and the
chemistry of Martian life was just different enough that we interpreted
the tests wrong. There never was a public debate over what the
results meant. When I look at the glassies, I just get the feeling
they won't hurt us. They just seem to be interested in the
meteorite and the things that are within it. They just
"feel" different somehow, although I know feelings aren't
supposed to be very scientific. :-)
On another subject, I have decided to "keep
secret" your work. Up until now, I have published everything
that was going on. But I have heard that one definition of
insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different
results. So I am not going to report on my web sites that you are
working on this. I will just let you do your stuff in the
background and if we get results that need to be published, we'll just
go from there. All I want is for humanity to know of this great
miracle (or highly improbable event for those who are strictly
"scientific"). I just want you to know, that if this
rock turns out like I suspect and that if it really is from Mars and it
really does have life in it, that I will want you to be the chief
scientist that runs the complete study of the rock, assuming that is
something you would want to do. I'm just trying to tell you that
my purpose in life is to help each person I meet become the most that
they can be. I love to help people and if you help me in this
process, I will never forget your contribution and plan to reward you in
any way that I can. If you have read my writings, you will know
that eventually I plan to give a small piece of this rock to each person
that stood in my way. I want to help them to believe in miracles
and I want to try to unite all of mankind to work together to solve our
common problems, rather than fighting with each other. So I hope
the Frass Meteorite will someday represent peace to all of mankind.
Kinda like a giant cosmic egg, sent from Mars to Earth. Anyway, I
don't want to make a bunch of promises, but rather to let you know that
any time you invest in this process will not be wasted and if it does
prove itself to your specification, you could easily study the contents
for the rest of your life, if you choose.
You may find agates in your drive and not be sure
they were there the day before, but on the Frass Ranch, there are no
rocks. So a volcanic rock sticks out like a sore thumb to a real
rancher. I know that you didn't know my great Aunt, but I can
assure you there was nothing on her ranch that ever escaped her notice.
She knew each cow and she knew every part of her land. I knew it
very well myself, since I have walked or rode horseback over every
square inch. Our job was observation. When we got to a new
pasture each day, we never fed a single cow, until every cow was
present. Thus our job was to look everywhere and locate the cattle
so we could feed. If you weren't there, I can understand how you
might doubt that the rock wasn't there the day before, but I am very
sure of that fact.
Better go, I guess I've rambled enough for one day.
There are so many things I would like to say to you, but I guess thank
you is enough for now. Thank you.
Your friend,
micromike
Daryl,
I agree with everything you say and I appreciate you so much.
Remember that
I have been working on this project for over three years, almost full
time.
Another month or another year means nothing to the overall project.
I will
keep working until mankind realizes the values that I offer. I
love science
and I love learning and so this process is fun to me. It's just
the
politics that I don't like. I'm open and honest and I'm just not
used to
dealing with people who also aren't open and honest. You spoke of
your
tenure that allows you to not care what others think. After I had
graduated
college in three years, I saw a newspaper article about microcomputers
(about 1976) and so I went back to school to learn these new devices.
After
one year, I had graduated a two year electronics course at TSTI in
Amarillo.
The day I graduated, I was offered and approved as a teacher of that
institution. I decided to go my own way and open a computer store,
because
I didn't want anyone telling me what to do or how to think. So in
some
ways, I took my path for the same reason you took your path. I
wanted to be
able to think for myself and be subservient to no one on Earth. I
was able
to raise my own funds and do my own research for many years at my first
company, Micro Mike's. That's where I got my name of micromike,
because I
was so good with microcomputers. So I think we are very much on
the same
page and I just want to keep thanking you for your work. I think
you will
be rewarded beyond your wildest dreams at some point in this process.
Of
course, the wildest dreams of most scientist are just to discover
something
new. You now have the opportunity to discover many new things.
Your friend,
micromike
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: evolution
> Hi Mike,
>
> I totally agree. Just take my comments as a skeptical
scientists. If
> this process is to work, we both have to do this. We are not
at odds.
> We just have to keep the independence alive.
>
> As I have said before, no matter how this turns out. And
there is no
> guarantee that we will know any more or be any closer to a
conclusive
> answer next year or the next. That is the thing about science
that most
> people do not understand. Just because we look doesn't mean
we will
> find.
>
> I should be able to get some electron beam time soon. What I
will send
> you should allow you to post some highly magnified cystalline
structure
> that will allow you web site visitors something to comment on about
the
> rocks. I also plan to make some thin sections for light
microscopy. I
> also have some access to a facility that produces 3-D electron
> micrographs. Maybe I can get some beam time there. I'll
work on it.
>
> Hang in there Mike and remember, I think your efforts are
admirable.
> It is hard to be a lone voice in the woods and we need more people
to be
> like you who invest time and energy in what they believe.
That's what
> makes us all better.
>
> Daryl
>
> "micromike.com" wrote:
>
> > Daryl,I agree with you that life would evolve differently on
different
> > planets. I have thought about this issue a lot before
the Frass
> > Meteorite and almost constantly ever since. I think the
DNA will be
> > different, but there is a chance it could be similar, even if
it did
> > come from Mars. Remember, what the Frass Meteorite means
is that our
> > planet has probably been peppered with meteorites containing
life
> > and/or life parts for most of its history. What it looks
like to me,
> > is that life is probably everywhere in our solar system and
that Mars
> > certainly had its own evolution. (However, I do think there is
a limit
> > to the complexity of life that could make a natural trip from
Mars to
> > Earth and the little glassies would be about the upper limit
of
> > complexity) But what would one expect to happen on Mars, as
compared
> > to Earth? Well Earth is larger and has more intrinsic
energy. Also,
> > Earth is closer to the sun and thus receives more energy than
would
> > Mars. Also, Earth has a very large moon and this has
definitely been
> > a great impact on the evolution of life on our planet.
So over all, I
> > would think that life wouldn't have as much energy to work
with on
> > Mars and thus evolution would proceed slower. Also,
since Mars has
> > already used up most of its energy and is now essentially
"dead," one
> > would expect that evolution had already had its "hay
day" and would
> > now be in the final stages. Most of the species would be
gone and the
> > surviving few would have to be simple things that fed off the
remains
> > of the work of all the other living things.Also, I very much
suspect
> > that Mars life evolved more from a chemical base rather than
the
> > sunlight base of terrestrial creatures (and hopefully this
would show
> > up in DNA). It now appears that Mars had a very active
life until a
> > few million years ago (about 45 is what I suspect). Mars
was powered
> > by a few very large volcanoes that were apparently active for
almost
> > the entire history of Mars. We know this because
volcanoes didn't
> > cover all of the planet, just part. Also, crater counts
of asteroid
> > impacts show us how old different surfaces might be and it now
looks
> > like the volcanoes were active until about 50-100ma)
Those parts that
> > weren't covered by volcanoes are very old (4.5ga) which means
they are
> > part of the original foundation of the planet: material that
was
> > melted at the formation of the planet, but which hasn't been
melted
> > since. All of the rest of the Martian meteorites are
very young and
> > the recent 3D maps of Mars show that Mars never had the moving
> > tectonic plates as did Earth. The volcanoes kept covering part
of the
> > planet right up to the end. Thus, Mars represents a much
simpler
> > system than Earth. A few stable volcanoes furnish the
atmosphere and
> > replenish the single ocean. Also, these volcanoes just
went through a
> > single "life" that covered billions of years, where
Earthly volcanoes
> > are measured in thousands of years and the planet has seen
many
> > "lives" of many volcanoes. Essentially this
provided the planet with
> > a very stable place to evolve life. A few large asteroid
collisions
> > through the ages probably disrupted things, but over time, the
single
> > stable ocean provided a counter balance to the lack of energy.
This
> > would lead to less niches on Mars as compared to Earth.
On Mars, life
> > didn't have as many different choices, so life involved less
> > specialization.All of this is consistent with everything that
I have
> > seen that came from the Frass Meteorite. There is a lot
of insect
> > like creatures (which are the most plentiful species on Earth)
but
> > nothing more complicated. And every insect looks very
primitive to
> > me. There is very little specialization of head parts or
feet parts.
> > There has been nothing that looks like a bone or something out
of a
> > mammal or reptile or bird. Also, everything is very
small. That fits
> > with the size of the reported "bacteria" in ALH
84001 which are about
> > the tenth the size of terrestrial bacteria.Also, all of the
material
> > in the meteorite is consistent with its generation by a single
stable
> > volcanic system that was at least 50 million years old, since
we have
> > that date as fact. There is not a single particle
recovered from the
> > meteorite that has ever been under the surface of a planet.
Think
> > about that. Nothing squashed in over 50 million years.
Every single
> > particle was generated near the surface and remained there
intact. I
> > think the linear chemistry of the five elemental oxides tests
of the
> > Frass Meteorite clearly demonstrate that almost every particle
in the
> > Frass Meteorite was made from the same source material.
Some was just
> > melted more than the others and thus the concentration of
silicon was
> > increased. (Also, the five tests represent the entire
range of
> > material from Earthly volcanoes) Some day, I suspect
that this linear
> > chemistry will be a clear indication of proof of Martian
origin, since
> > I think it unlikely that other planets or moons in our solar
system
> > have had stable volcanoes for their entire life time.Anyway, I
suspect
> > that life on Mars did evolve along a somehow different
chemical basis
> > than did Earth. Remember the Viking life tests?
They seemed to
> > indicate life, but yet fell short. Maybe we just had the
wrong
> > assumptions about life and the chemistry of Martian life was
just
> > different enough that we interpreted the tests wrong.
There never was
> > a public debate over what the results meant. When I look
at the
> > glassies, I just get the feeling they won't hurt us.
They just seem
> > to be interested in the meteorite and the things that are
within it.
> > They just "feel" different somehow, although I know
feelings aren't
> > supposed to be very scientific. :-)On another subject, I have
decided
> > to "keep secret" your work. Up until now, I
have published everything
> > that was going on. But I have heard that one definition
of insanity
> > is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different
> > results. So I am not going to report on my web sites
that you are
> > working on this. I will just let you do your stuff in
the background
> > and if we get results that need to be published, we'll just go
from
> > there. All I want is for humanity to know of this great
miracle (or
> > highly improbable event for those who are strictly
"scientific"). I
> > just want you to know, that if this rock turns out like I
suspect and
> > that if it really is from Mars and it really does have life in
it,
> > that I will want you to be the chief scientist that runs the
complete
> > study of the rock, assuming that is something you would want
to do.
> > I'm just trying to tell you that my purpose in life is to help
each
> > person I meet become the most that they can be. I love
to help people
> > and if you help me in this process, I will never forget your
> > contribution and plan to reward you in any way that I can.
If you
> > have read my writings, you will know that eventually I plan to
give a
> > small piece of this rock to each person that stood in my way.
I want
> > to help them to believe in miracles and I want to try to unite
all of
> > mankind to work together to solve our common problems, rather
than
> > fighting with each other. So I hope the Frass Meteorite
will someday
> > represent peace to all of mankind. Kinda like a giant
cosmic egg,
> > sent from Mars to Earth. Anyway, I don't want to make a
bunch of
> > promises, but rather to let you know that any time you invest
in this
> > process will not be wasted and if it does prove itself to your
> > specification, you could easily study the contents for the
rest of
> > your life, if you choose.You may find agates in your drive and
not be
> > sure they were there the day before, but on the Frass Ranch,
there are
> > no rocks. So a volcanic rock sticks out like a sore
thumb to a real
> > rancher. I know that you didn't know my great Aunt, but
I can assure
> > you there was nothing on her ranch that ever escaped her
notice. She
> > knew each cow and she knew every part of her land. I
knew it very
> > well myself, since I have walked or rode horseback over every
square
> > inch. Our job was observation. When we got to a
new pasture each
> > day, we never fed a single cow, until every cow was present.
Thus our
> > job was to look everywhere and locate the cattle so we could
feed. If
> > you weren't there, I can understand how you might doubt that
the rock
> > wasn't there the day before, but I am very sure of that
fact.Better
> > go, I guess I've rambled enough for one day. There are
so many things
> > I would like to say to you, but I guess thank you is enough
for now.
> > Thank you.Your friend,micromike
>
>
Daryl,
Thank you for your comments about your Geologist friend. I very
much
appreciate the list of do's and don'ts and I will do my best to do
exactly
what you tell me to do. I guess I have spent too much time alone,
as I seem
to have lost my ability to communicate with other humans. I have
been in
the computer industry for so long and I have never met a computer
problem I
couldn't solve. So I'm used to receiving respect from others and
I'm used
to having them actually listen to me and respect my opinion. But
the
meteorite people don't respect me and don't listen to what I say.
I have
spent my life searching for the truth and searching for what is real.
I
believe future history will record that I was a good observer of nature,
but
in some way, each human being is as complicated as the rest of the
cosmos
combined. Before I send your friend a letter, I will send a copy
to you
first and have you OK it. I am incapable of telling someone a lie
and I
will have to think about how to word this letter so that I stay true to
myself and I don't scare him away, like I have many of the others.
I've
printed out your comments so that I can study them.
As a philosopher, it is my job to try to see the overview. I never
wanted
to be the one that actually studied the meteorite, but since no one
would
look, I had to do some of the work myself. You and others are much
better
prepared than I to do the actual study. So in the line of
philosophy,
remember that we don't yet know that the "shell" of these
creatures are
chitin, since another material could have evolved on Mars to do the same
function. Anyway, don't assume that it is the same, until we have
information that tells us it is the same or different. Is there
anyway that
we could get an analysis of the material and find out what it is made
of?
Thanks again for all you are doing. I don't think you would have
given me
the four rules if you didn't care about this situation and having
someone
care is very important to me. Thanks again, until you are better
paid.
Your friend,
littlemike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dillard Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Geologist
> Hi Mike,
>
> I contacted one of our geologist that I believe can help you.
But here
are a
> few words of advice:
>
> 1) ask for help just reanalyzing some data on a rock sample you
found. No
> mention of Mars or extraterrestrial origin. This will cause
more problems
than
> it will solve.
>
> 2) give him the history of the data, where it was done, what
analysis you
have
> done, and what you think you need help with (no link to the web
site). I
would
> suggest that you tell him you work in science and have this as a
"hobby."
> Remember you are after the analysis of the data and it will stand
on its
own.
>
> 3) keep you message short. No more than 4 inches on the
screen. Multiple
> short messages will be better than one long one.
>
> 4) he is doing me a favor on this and it will be a good chance to
get a
real
> independent look. You can tell him I have a sample of the
material if you
> wish.
>
> Hi Name is Bryce Hoppie and his e-mail is:
>
> bryce.hoppie@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
>
> Let me know what he says.
>
> Daryl
>
> "micromike.com" wrote:
>
> > Daryl,
> > Slow seems so much better than stopped to me that I am
perfectly happy.
I
> > am happy to see a group putting their minds together to see
what they
can
> > figure out. I've been totally alone in this for so long.
I've even
offered
> > to pay geologist for their time and not one would ever help
me. So I
think
> > you are doing great. It might be helpful to scan the
"glassies" too and
see
> > what they look like up close and why some are different colors
than
others.
> > Another thing I thought of, is I wish someone would replot all
of my
> > elemental oxides. I was told by the University of
Arizona, that they
> > wouldn't help me any more until I proved that my rock didn't
come from
the
> > volcanoes of NM. So I did this study and found
that my rock couldn't
have
> > come from NM since the NM volcanoes were inactive at both 13
and 49ma.
(And
> > the chemistry is different too) But then they still
wouldn't look at it
> > anymore. Then I offered to pay 2 or 3 scholarships at
WTA&M if they
would
> > just get some students to look at my work, since I never
studied geology
and
> > since I was just following the NASA news conferences to learn
how
geologist
> > actually tried to determine planet of origin. Anyway, it
looks to me
like a
> > student could take this on as a project and plot all of the
data over
again
> > to make sure I did everything right. One of the things
that I noticed,
is
> > that the chemistry most like my meteorite, always came from
side vent
> > expulsions and the side vent expulsions seemed to mark the end
of the
life
> > of many volcanoes. That is were I came to believe that
the same thing
may
> > be happening on Mars, but just on a larger scale in time.
That would
> > explain the chemistry of my rock. If you notice, the
gray portion of
the
> > rock (which is the youngest in age) has the oldest chemistry.
The
reason, I
> > believe, is because the base material for the rock was laid
down early
in
> > the history of the volcano and then just sat there for a long
time,
> > unchanged. Then the side venting remelted this rock
recently,
explaining
> > how the youngest rock could have the oldest chemistry.
> > Thanks again.
> > Your friend,
> > micromike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
> > To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: checking in
> >
> > > Hi mike,
> > >
> > > I haven't forgetton you or stopped working. Where
we are now is, we
(as
> > > in the group I work with) have decided that the best
first step is
> > > scanning electron microscopy of the insect fragments.
The reason for
> > > this is the possible demise of the small "fly"
during transit. We are
> > > hoping to find the fragments of this insect as well as
use the "loose"
> > > leg from the other small invertebrate as well as the main
body. We
> > > believe this is the most critical thing to do as it will
not only
> > > preserve the sample but also give us an iamge that can be
used for
> > > further study. There will not be any DNA in this
type sample
> > > (exoskeleton is chitin). The probelm we are currently
trying to solve
is
> > > dealing with such a small sample. The normal
electrical-conductiing
> > > cement for attaching a sample to the surface of the
specimen holder is
> > > very "mushy" and will obscure the sample.
We have tried a few things
> > > and the concensus of the group is to us a small piece of
double-sided
> > > tape to adhere the sample and then sputter coat it with a
mixture of
> > > gold and palladium. I have some time booked on the
scope in two
weeks.
> > > I think we will have the samples mounted by then.
When we scan the
> > > samples, I will be able to return them to you. They
will be in a much
> > > more stable form. They will permanently mounted on
the viewing stubs
> > > and in a desssicant. They can be safely shipped to
other locations
and
> > > viewed time and time again. The photomicrographs
can also be sent
> > > electronically to others as well as posted on your web
site. I know
> > > this seems slow, but in this case, I think slow is best.
I'll keep
you
> > > posted as we procede but feel free to e-mail and ask what
is going on.
> > >
> > > Daryl
> > >
> > > "micromike.com" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Daryl,Just checking in to see how things are going.
There are so
many
> > > > things that I want to say to you, but I've decided
to wait on most
of
> > > > them and just let you do your thing. I know
you talked of the time
it
> > > > will take, but please remember all of the people in
the world that
are
> > > > studying Mars and how much this rock will mean to
them, once its
true
> > > > nature is known.Once you get around to the elemental
oxides tests, I
> > > > wish that you would test the gray rock and the red
rock that are in
> > > > the little bottle. The actual volcanic
material should be tested,
> > > > but also the little red spots and the little spots
that looks like
> > > > solder should be tested. Also, I wish you
would look through the
> > > > little pieces that are in the other bottle of sandy
material and
test
> > > > some of these also. I know that there are at
least two ages of
> > > > material, but some of the little red pieces look
like they are older
> > > > than some of the others. At least, they look
to have been in the
> > > > water longer and are more oxidized. I think if
you would just do
the
> > > > elemental oxides on some of the small red particles,
that many of
them
> > > > would test "Martian" without argument.Did
you ever find "Blindy?" A
> > > > friend of mine named the little flying insect after
he looked at it
> > > > through my microscope and he has felt a certain
connection to the
> > > > little bug every since. He has asked me if you
ever found the
insect
> > > > and I don't yet know if you did find him.I hope that
you continue
> > > > working on this project. So many scientist
have said they would
help
> > > > me and then they just fade away over time.
Christopher Romanek took
a
> > > > sample almost three years ago and promised to do a
oxygen isotope
> > > > ratio test which should show Martian construction.
The last time I
> > > > e-mailed him, he was still promising to do the test,
but that was
more
> > > > than a year ago. It is so hard for me to
understand how a "real"
> > > > scientist could fail to investigate my claims, since
they are so
> > > > significant in the rising to awareness of humanity.
Anyway, I very
> > > > much appreciate your work and I hope you follow this
through. Let
me
> > > > know once you find out anything.Your
friend,micromike
> > >
> > >
>
>
Daryl,
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I've not felt
well and
I've been thinking about what to say to your friend, the geologist.
I feel
a great deal of frustration in this whole matter. I have given
nearly
everything I have to this project. I have given almost all of my
possessions, including my car and my house. I'm used to working
with
brilliant people who openly and honestly look at what I say. I now
feel
like, that with the scientists of the world, I have to feed them milk,
when
I want to feed them meat. I have heard many scientist say that one
of the
most important events in human history will be the discovery of life
elsewhere than Earth. As a child, I read every science fiction
book that I
could find and I spent many hours thinking about and imaging life on
other
planets. I never thought that I would know anything about it,
because at
the time, it didn't seem possible that life could evolve anywhere else
in
our solar system, except Earth. Mercury and Venus were too hot
(although
early on we didn't know about the temperature of Venus) and Mars seemed
too
dry and cold, and of course, the rest of the planets were giant balls of
gas, without even a surface to support life. I don't think I ever
thought
much about life on the moons of the giants, so it seemed to me as a
child
that we would have to go to other suns to find life and that would
surely be
outside my life time. So I just kinda assumed that I would never
know the
answer to the questions of the evolution of life on other worlds.
But once
I opened the Frass Meteorite, things began to change and now I think we
may
very well find life in nooks and crannies everywhere in our solar
system. I
don't know if you believe in God, and I don't know why God or whomever,
might send me this rock. But once I began to think that it did
show us the
life of Mars, I felt I had a responsibility to humanity to show others
this
rock, so that they might share my joy at learning these secrets kept
from
all others before me. I've therefore dedicated my life to this
process, but
I've already paid a high price and still don't know if I'm any closer to
my
goals than when I started. I guess I'm just feeling a little
down today,
so don't take this too seriously.
As far as the chitin goes, as a philosopher, I don't really care if I am
wrong or right. I'm used to just throwing out ideas and if they
are good,
then I'm used to people accepting them. If they are bad, then just
discard
them. I only want to try to think of all possibilities and make
sure that
people are aware of their assumptions. One thing that I have
learned in my
computer days, is that most hard logical problems are solved by re-examing
one's assumptions. Any logic is only as good as the foundation
upon which
it is derived. If your assumptions are bad, then your conclusions
will
probably be bad also. So any suggestions that I make, please view
them in
this light.
Here is what I would propose to send to your geologist friend. I
know I
don't need your approval, yet I don't want to do anything that disrupts
this
process, since I now think that you are the first who is honestly
evaluating
this important rock. I want this situation to work out, for me and
for
humanity.
Dear Bryce,
Your name was given to me by Daryl Adams as someone who might help me.
Many years ago, I found a volcanic rock on my great aunt's ranch, where
there are no volcanic rocks. I have been trying to determine where
this
rock came from. Local geologist have said that it was a volcanic
"bomb" and
that it probably came from the volcanic fields of Northern New Mexico
and
southern Colorado. However, I have done a study of these volcanoes
and my
rock doesn't seem to match the chemistry of these volcanoes and the K-Ar
ages of this rock match the periods when the volcanoes of NM were
silent.
Would you be willing to review my data and my plots of the chemistries
of my
rock? I have tried many different geologist and none will help me.
Daryl
has a sample of the rock and its contents and he would be glad to share
these with you, if you need them. I will be glad to send you the
test data
and my plots if you are willing to help. Thanks for your attention
in this
matter.
Daryl, back to you. The only problem I have, is that my plots have
several
points from Mars plotted on them. They are labeled BB (for
Barnacle Bill),
Yogi, and A1 through A3 (sand or surface samples taken on Mars by
Pathfinder. So he will probably see that I have plotted my samples
against
the Martian samples when he gets the plots. Thanks again for your
kind
heart and your open mind. I hope that someday, you will be blessed
beyond
your wildest imagination, as the mysteries of the Frass Meteorite unfold
before us.
Your friend,
micromike
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Geologist
> Hi Mike,
>
> I don't think you need to get my approval before you send a letter.
I
just
> wanted to put you on "alert" as to what may cause more
problems than they
are
> worth. Just be open with Bryce about the data and stuff and
it will
either
> stand on its own or it will not.
>
> As far as the material, the reason I said chitin was because that
what
> exoskeletons are made of here. It most any instance in any
evolutionary
> scenario, these protective structures would be more armor
(secretive) than
> structures that make things and contain nuclear materials. I
will think
about
> what you say and rethink the SEM work. Or at least make sure
we don't do
> something we can't "undo."
>
> Let me know how it goes with Bryce.
>
> Daryl
>
> "micromike.com" wrote:
>
> > Daryl,
> > Thank you for your comments about your Geologist friend.
I very much
> > appreciate the list of do's and don'ts and I will do my best
to do
exactly
> > what you tell me to do. I guess I have spent too much
time alone, as I
seem
> > to have lost my ability to communicate with other humans.
I have been
in
> > the computer industry for so long and I have never met a
computer
problem I
> > couldn't solve. So I'm used to receiving respect from
others and I'm
used
> > to having them actually listen to me and respect my opinion.
But the
> > meteorite people don't respect me and don't listen to what I
say. I
have
> > spent my life searching for the truth and searching for what
is real. I
> > believe future history will record that I was a good observer
of nature,
but
> > in some way, each human being is as complicated as the rest of
the
cosmos
> > combined. Before I send your friend a letter, I will
send a copy to you
> > first and have you OK it. I am incapable of telling
someone a lie and I
> > will have to think about how to word this letter so that I
stay true to
> > myself and I don't scare him away, like I have many of the
others. I've
> > printed out your comments so that I can study them.
> > As a philosopher, it is my job to try to see the overview.
I never
wanted
> > to be the one that actually studied the meteorite, but since
no one
would
> > look, I had to do some of the work myself. You and
others are much
better
> > prepared than I to do the actual study. So in the line
of philosophy,
> > remember that we don't yet know that the "shell" of
these creatures are
> > chitin, since another material could have evolved on Mars to
do the same
> > function. Anyway, don't assume that it is the same,
until we have
> > information that tells us it is the same or different.
Is there anyway
that
> > we could get an analysis of the material and find out what it
is made
of?
> > Thanks again for all you are doing. I don't think you
would have given
me
> > the four rules if you didn't care about this situation and
having
someone
> > care is very important to me. Thanks again, until you
are better paid.
> > Your friend,
> > littlemike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dillard Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
> > To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: Geologist
> >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > I contacted one of our geologist that I believe can help
you. But
here
> > are a
> > > few words of advice:
> > >
> > > 1) ask for help just reanalyzing some data on a rock
sample you found.
No
> > > mention of Mars or extraterrestrial origin. This
will cause more
problems
> > than
> > > it will solve.
> > >
> > > 2) give him the history of the data, where it was done,
what analysis
you
> > have
> > > done, and what you think you need help with (no link to
the web site).
I
> > would
> > > suggest that you tell him you work in science and have
this as a
"hobby."
> > > Remember you are after the analysis of the data and it
will stand on
its
> > own.
> > >
> > > 3) keep you message short. No more than 4 inches on
the screen.
Multiple
> > > short messages will be better than one long one.
> > >
> > > 4) he is doing me a favor on this and it will be a good
chance to get
a
> > real
> > > independent look. You can tell him I have a sample
of the material if
you
> > > wish.
> > >
> > > Hi Name is Bryce Hoppie and his e-mail is:
> > >
> > > bryce.hoppie@Mankato.MSUS.EDU
> > >
> > > Let me know what he says.
> > >
> > > Daryl
> > >
> > > "micromike.com" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Daryl,
> > > > Slow seems so much better than stopped to me that I
am perfectly
happy.
> > I
> > > > am happy to see a group putting their minds together
to see what
they
> > can
> > > > figure out. I've been totally alone in this
for so long. I've even
> > offered
> > > > to pay geologist for their time and not one would
ever help me. So
I
> > think
> > > > you are doing great. It might be helpful to
scan the "glassies" too
and
> > see
> > > > what they look like up close and why some are
different colors than
> > others.
> > > > Another thing I thought of, is I wish someone would
replot all of my
> > > > elemental oxides. I was told by the University
of Arizona, that
they
> > > > wouldn't help me any more until I proved that my
rock didn't come
from
> > the
> > > > volcanoes of NM. So I did this study and
found that my rock
couldn't
> > have
> > > > come from NM since the NM volcanoes were inactive at
both 13 and
49ma.
> > (And
> > > > the chemistry is different too) But then they
still wouldn't look
at it
> > > > anymore. Then I offered to pay 2 or 3
scholarships at WTA&M if they
> > would
> > > > just get some students to look at my work, since I
never studied
geology
> > and
> > > > since I was just following the NASA news conferences
to learn how
> > geologist
> > > > actually tried to determine planet of origin.
Anyway, it looks to
me
> > like a
> > > > student could take this on as a project and plot all
of the data
over
> > again
> > > > to make sure I did everything right. One of
the things that I
noticed,
> > is
> > > > that the chemistry most like my meteorite, always
came from side
vent
> > > > expulsions and the side vent expulsions seemed to
mark the end of
the
> > life
> > > > of many volcanoes. That is were I came to
believe that the same
thing
> > may
> > > > be happening on Mars, but just on a larger scale in
time. That
would
> > > > explain the chemistry of my rock. If you
notice, the gray portion
of
> > the
> > > > rock (which is the youngest in age) has the oldest
chemistry. The
> > reason, I
> > > > believe, is because the base material for the rock
was laid down
early
> > in
> > > > the history of the volcano and then just sat there
for a long time,
> > > > unchanged. Then the side venting remelted this
rock recently,
> > explaining
> > > > how the youngest rock could have the oldest
chemistry.
> > > > Thanks again.
> > > > Your friend,
> > > > micromike
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
> > > > To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:00 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: checking in
> > > >
> > > > > Hi mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't forgetton you or stopped working.
Where we are now is,
we
> > (as
> > > > > in the group I work with) have decided that the
best first step is
> > > > > scanning electron microscopy of the insect
fragments. The reason
for
> > > > > this is the possible demise of the small
"fly" during transit. We
are
> > > > > hoping to find the fragments of this insect as
well as use the
"loose"
> > > > > leg from the other small invertebrate as well
as the main body.
We
> > > > > believe this is the most critical thing to do
as it will not only
> > > > > preserve the sample but also give us an iamge
that can be used for
> > > > > further study. There will not be any DNA
in this type sample
> > > > > (exoskeleton is chitin). The probelm we are
currently trying to
solve
> > is
> > > > > dealing with such a small sample. The
normal
electrical-conductiing
> > > > > cement for attaching a sample to the surface of
the specimen
holder is
> > > > > very "mushy" and will obscure the
sample. We have tried a few
things
> > > > > and the concensus of the group is to us a small
piece of
double-sided
> > > > > tape to adhere the sample and then sputter coat
it with a mixture
of
> > > > > gold and palladium. I have some time
booked on the scope in two
> > weeks.
> > > > > I think we will have the samples mounted by
then. When we scan
the
> > > > > samples, I will be able to return them to you.
They will be in a
much
> > > > > more stable form. They will permanently
mounted on the viewing
stubs
> > > > > and in a desssicant. They can be safely
shipped to other
locations
> > and
> > > > > viewed time and time again. The
photomicrographs can also be sent
> > > > > electronically to others as well as posted on
your web site. I
know
> > > > > this seems slow, but in this case, I think slow
is best. I'll
keep
> > you
> > > > > posted as we procede but feel free to e-mail
and ask what is going
on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Daryl
> > > > >
> > > > > "micromike.com" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Daryl,Just checking in to see how things
are going. There are
so
> > many
> > > > > > things that I want to say to you, but I've
decided to wait on
most
> > of
> > > > > > them and just let you do your thing.
I know you talked of the
time
> > it
> > > > > > will take, but please remember all of the
people in the world
that
> > are
> > > > > > studying Mars and how much this rock will
mean to them, once its
> > true
> > > > > > nature is known.Once you get around to the
elemental oxides
tests, I
> > > > > > wish that you would test the gray rock and
the red rock that are
in
> > > > > > the little bottle. The actual
volcanic material should be
tested,
> > > > > > but also the little red spots and the
little spots that looks
like
> > > > > > solder should be tested. Also, I
wish you would look through
the
> > > > > > little pieces that are in the other bottle
of sandy material and
> > test
> > > > > > some of these also. I know that
there are at least two ages of
> > > > > > material, but some of the little red
pieces look like they are
older
> > > > > > than some of the others. At least,
they look to have been in
the
> > > > > > water longer and are more oxidized.
I think if you would just
do
> > the
> > > > > > elemental oxides on some of the small red
particles, that many
of
> > them
> > > > > > would test "Martian" without
argument.Did you ever find
"Blindy?" A
> > > > > > friend of mine named the little flying
insect after he looked at
it
> > > > > > through my microscope and he has felt a
certain connection to
the
> > > > > > little bug every since. He has asked
me if you ever found the
> > insect
> > > > > > and I don't yet know if you did find him.I
hope that you
continue
> > > > > > working on this project. So many
scientist have said they would
> > help
> > > > > > me and then they just fade away over time.
Christopher Romanek
took
> > a
> > > > > > sample almost three years ago and promised
to do a oxygen
isotope
> > > > > > ratio test which should show Martian
construction. The last
time I
> > > > > > e-mailed him, he was still promising to do
the test, but that
was
> > more
> > > > > > than a year ago. It is so hard for
me to understand how a
"real"
> > > > > > scientist could fail to investigate my
claims, since they are so
> > > > > > significant in the rising to awareness of
humanity. Anyway, I
very
> > > > > > much appreciate your work and I hope you
follow this through.
Let
> > me
> > > > > > know once you find out anything.Your
friend,micromike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
Daryl,
The images are great. I never could download
them on my computer, but the guy I'm staying with was able to download
them to his computer. Normally pictures on the Internet are JPEGs,
since anyone can view them with just their browser. But Lynn has a
number of photo packages and he was able to view and print the photos.
I also hope the creatures are unknown, but as a
philosopher, I just want them to be what they are. Was this the
little spider creature? I knew the legs had little pinchers, but
these almost look like aquatic pinchers, a little like a lobster claw.
Were you able to count the body segments or the number of segments in
each leg? On Earth, spiders have three body segments, with the
first two fused to form a head and body. The legs come out of the
second segment and the third segment is on the behind. This
"spider" looks like it has a separate head, a second body
segment, and no third segment, but there appears to be some debris on
the back end, just where the segment would be. I don't know if it
is broken off or if it doesn't exist.
You say that I should be proud. I'm not very
proud of my work because I have tried for so many years to get someone
to look at this rock. But I am very proud of you. When I was
little, I always put God first in everything. But right below God,
were the scientist, to me. I've always thought that scientist were
special people and even my fights with so many scientists hasn't dimmed
that view of scientist in my mind. I still view them as next to
Gods. But so many scientists have gotten down being cynical, yet
they just haven't gotten down the part about being open minded, which I
think is necessary to be a true scientist. Anyway, you have
restored my faith in the scientific community and you are a hero in my
book. I hope this all works out shortly and that we can meet and
that I can thank you personally for your effort. I know that you
run a risk working on this project and I just pray that we are soon
delivered from this ordeal and that the world can finally know about the
miracle of life on Mars.
I would like to post these pictures on my web site,
but I will wait a few days and get your permission first. Thanks
again for the valuable work that you are doing. I hope something
breaks for us soon and you are rewarded for your work.
Your friend,
micromike
Daryl,
Yes, I agree with all you say. Could you tell if there is a
abdomen that is
missing? There is a piece of debris on the rear end and it hides
the
junction, if there is a missing body segment. I've always known
that this
critter came from the outside of the rock and therefore might be
terrestrial
contamination. However, the things that make me think it came with
the
rock, include the piece of volcanic rock that is apparently
"stuck" to its
rear end. Also, if you look in all the pictures, one sees many
angular
particles, even at the highest magnification. This indicates
material that
hasn't been rounded by the action of water over the years. If this
"spider"
came from Earth, then how could it have these particles over, in, and
through the thing? Also, the glassies were apparently
"eating" this thing.
(I guess you've "cleaned" them away. Did you take any
pictures of them?)
Since I have found them in the center of the rock and I'm sure that they
came with the rock, then they would probably only be interested in
"other"
martian material (or material from wherever it came). Also, the
head of
this thing just looks very primitive to me. Did you get any
pictures of the
head? (or the rear end for that matter?) Also, this rock has never
been
outside of Texas. So if you come up with a spider from another
continent,
the mystery would deepen. Also, what if this is really an ocean
creature
and not a land creature? Maybe we should be looking to compare it
to the
ocean relatives of the insects?
Other observations:
We need to call UPS and see if this thing was in a train wreck. :-)
Now I
know why you wrote about how delicate this thing was. All kidding
aside, I
guess he got broke up a bit in the mounting process. When I had
this thing,
his head was pulled back inside his body. It now appears that it
is pulled
out some. Also, his top shell is broken, and I guess his bottom
shell is
laying to the left of him. (By the way, I have another bug shell
if you
want it.) The way I view this critter, is that his head is down
and to the
right, although he is "looking" back to the left. It
looks like part of a
leg is attached to the bottom piece that is at the left of the spider.
Would you please confirm this is what you see or not?
Did we lose the flying insect? Don't worry if we did. The
important thing
is that you are looking at this openly and honestly. I'm anxiously
awaiting
any identification information.
Your friend,
micromike
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Thanks
> Hi Mike,
>
> Glad you were able to get the picture. I sent them as PICT so
the
> resolution would stay up. JPEG usually compresses and I
did not want
> to do that. As far as I am concerned, the pictures are yours
and you
> can use them any way you like. I used film that also produced
a 4x5
> negative. These negatives can give prints with more detail
than the
> images I sent to you. If you would like them, just send
me an address
> and I will send them to you.
>
> Yes, the images are of the spider creature. You noticed the
claws on
> the end of the leg. That is consistent with spiders. It
is one of the
> identifying characteristics of many of the families and should help
the
> scientists at the Museum of Natural History in London make a
> classification. The claw structure is also consistent with a
spider
> that matches the size of this specimen. It is called a cave
spider and
> ranges in size from 1-3mm. It lives in or around caves or
under rocks.
> This is also consistent with the data from your collection report.
>
> The legs do seem to all originate from the central part of the body
in
> this sample. This is also consistent with known spiders.
I think the
> photo shows very clearly 4 legs attached to one side. The
hair
> structure and exit pattern is also consisten with known spiders.
The
> material had been pretty well separated by the toothpicks as they
both
> "rattled" around during shipment but I think the pictures
give a pretty
> clear representation.
>
> Let's see what the experts have to say and go from there.
>
> Daryl
>
> "micromike.com" wrote:
>
> > Daryl,The images are great. I never could download them
on my
> > computer, but the guy I'm staying with was able to download
them to
> > his computer. Normally pictures on the Internet are
JPEGs, since
> > anyone can view them with just their browser. But Lynn
has a number
> > of photo packages and he was able to view and print the
photos.I also
> > hope the creatures are unknown, but as a philosopher, I just
want them
> > to be what they are. Was this the little spider
creature? I knew the
> > legs had little pinchers, but these almost look like aquatic
pinchers,
> > a little like a lobster claw. Were you able to count the
body
> > segments or the number of segments in each leg? On
Earth, spiders
> > have three body segments, with the first two fused to form a
head and
> > body. The legs come out of the second segment and the
third segment
> > is on the behind. This "spider" looks like it
has a separate head, a
> > second body segment, and no third segment, but there appears
to be
> > some debris on the back end, just where the segment would be.
I don't
> > know if it is broken off or if it doesn't exist.You say that I
should
> > be proud. I'm not very proud of my work because I have
tried for so
> > many years to get someone to look at this rock. But I am
very proud
> > of you. When I was little, I always put God first in
everything. But
> > right below God, were the scientist, to me. I've always
thought that
> > scientist were special people and even my fights with so many
> > scientists hasn't dimmed that view of scientist in my mind.
I still
> > view them as next to Gods. But so many scientists have
gotten down
> > being cynical, yet they just haven't gotten down the part
about being
> > open minded, which I think is necessary to be a true
scientist.
> > Anyway, you have restored my faith in the scientific community
and you
> > are a hero in my book. I hope this all works out shortly
and that we
> > can meet and that I can thank you personally for your effort.
I know
> > that you run a risk working on this project and I just pray
that we
> > are soon delivered from this ordeal and that the world can
finally
> > know about the miracle of life on Mars.I would like to post
these
> > pictures on my web site, but I will wait a few days and get
your
> > permission first. Thanks again for the valuable work
that you are
> > doing. I hope something breaks for us soon and you are
rewarded for
> > your work.Your friend,micromike
>
>
Daryl,
I don't know if it will help you, but I took over
100 pictures of the spider creature. I am including a few as
attachments. The one labeled spiderhead5 is probably a true color
photograph of the spider. In many of the other pictures the light
was too bright.
It seems to me that this creature did have a third
body part, after looking at your pictures for a few days. It also
seems obvious that this creature moved its head from side to side and
maybe out and in. The top of its head clearly shows the same type
of structure as the rest of the outer body. In my pictures, the
head is retracted and this triangle shaped thing sticks out over the
head. I don't know if it is an artifact or if it is part of the
creature. It is the same color and texture as the rest of the
insect.
On Earth, it is my understanding that all spiders
have the head and thorax fused together. This creature obviously
didn't have the first two segments fused. I think I would call him
a turtle spider, since he seems to have been able to retract his head
within the shell, probably for protection. (I wonder what might
have been after this little bug?)
It doesn't bother me philosophically for the
creature to have three body segments and 4 pairs of legs. These
have apparently worked fine on Earth and so might be a necessary
evolutionary solution to the problems of living as an insect.
Hope that things are going your way. I'm
patiently awaiting the results from England.
Your friend,
micromike
Daryl,
I haven't heard from you in a few days and I just
wondered what was happening. I never did ask if you recieved the
new sample I sent and the video and etc. Did you recieve it?
Hope things are going your way. The spider looks more and more
primitive to me, the more I look at it. When will the other
pictures be ready? I'll get you a physical address, so that you
might mail me the actual photos, when they are all done.
Your friend,
micromike
Daryl,
I've taken a new sample of the fusion crust and I am sending it to you
today. We video taped the sample taking and I've included the
video so that
you can see where the sample came from and how it relates to the rest of
the
rock.
I watched a show on Dessert Varnish the other night and I think it will
be
easy for you to determine if the rock shows fusion crust or dessert
varnish.
Thanks again for your work. I've not forgotten you and I think of
you and
your work constantly, but I have a way of making people mad at me, so I
feel
it is better at this point in space and time that I not
"pollute" your
thoughts much as you work to determine the origin of this interesting
rock.
Your friend,
micromike
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 3:49 PM
Subject: Photos
> Hi Mike,
>
> Haven't heard from you for awhile so I thought I let you know how
things
> were going. It is the end of the semester and things are
hectic and we
> are moving sort of slow on non-class issues. Anyway, I have
your
> negatives back and will be shipping the original photos and the
original
> 4x5 negatives to you tomorrow. I am trying to meet with Bryce
but we
> keep having conflicts (mostly mine). I will keep at it over
the next
> couple of weeks to make sure we get it done before Christmas
break.
>
> Daryl
>
>
Dear Daryl,
I wanted to tell you that I am leaving today, to walk this country and
try
to find someone that will listen to me. It's becoming obvious that
this
situation is turning out like all the others. Broken promises and
unanswered questions.
The only way that Dr. Treiman could find the rock was NOT a meteorite
was to
call me a liar. If my words are true, then this rock is a
meteorite. I
have offered to take a lie detector test and there are at least 100
people
who have seen this meteorite, starting the day after I found it.
Two examples of Dr. Treiman calling me a liar are thus: One, Dr.
Treiman
stated that the density of the rock was similar to Earth's. Yet he
didn't
even weigh the rock. He also assumed that the rock had NO sand
inside. I
even pored sand out of the rock in front of him, but he decided that
there
was no sand in the rock. It has been my experience, that probably
one half
the weight of the rock is the sandy mixture captured within the pores of
the
rock. Thus if the sand was taken out and the density of the rock
was
measured, it would be approximately one half the density of Earth rocks
and
it would prove the extraterrestrial nature of the rock. If you
want to find
the truth, then take the little core sample that is melted on one end
and
break the rock in half. Take the part that is not melted and
measure the
density. Then take the other half of the rock and melt it down so
that it
reforms under Earth's gravity. Then measure it's density. It
the density
on Earth is about twice the natural destiny, you have your proof that
the
rock came from space.
Second, Dr. Treiman said that he thought the whole rock was 49ma.
The only
way that could be true is if I'm a liar or incompetent AND Dick Reeseman
of
Geochron labs must be a liar too. Now the truth is that I talked
to Dick a
number of times to assure the accuracy of the tests. I spent $2400
that
took me over a year to earn. Dr. Treiman claims that the K content
of the
samples is different, yet the reason I sent red samples was because the
chemistry tests had already shown that the K was very similar.
Dick
Reeseman mentions this in his last letter. And the real proof is
in the
pudding. I was able to pick out these red rocks and they did turn
out to be
older than the gray rock, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out
that a
rock trapped inside another rock is probably older than the rock it was
within.
And as far as all meteorites making the same crater, that is just bad
science and is nieve to say the least. Haven't you ever watched
shooting
stars? I've watched as one would go straight down and be gone so
fast you
weren't even sure you saw it. Others track across the sky and move
so
slowly that you have time to tell your friends and they get to see it
also.
This very event happened to Lynn and I the other night coming home after
dark.
As examples, about two years ago, a Russian fuel tank fell from orbit
(and
orbital speed is the only requirement for entry into our atmosphere, not
escape velocity) and landed almost without damage. This was
considered
impossible by many, yet it happened.
Recently, a meteorite fell over NM, very near hear. There were
several
witnesses who saw the meteorite explode and fall as several pieces.
One
piece landed in a barn wall and made no crater at all. Many
meteorites,
including the Frass Meteorite are cool by the time they reach the
ground.
Now science only includes those rocks that have the proper fusion crust
as a
meteorite. Yet what about the one that exploded? What if a
piece of
meteorite came from the middle of the rock, due to the explosion, and
showed
no fusion crust. Would it then be considered a meteorite, even if
it has no
fusion crust? Also, what if the explosion "canceled" the
forward velocity
of one or more pieces? Then those pieces could have all of there
forward
momentum canceled by the explosion. An another example of a
meteorite fell
in NM and the lady saw it and found it immediately. It was shown
on TV and
made a crater smaller than the size of the rock. It was not hot.
So to say
that all meteorites must go through the same process just shows that one
really doesn't understand the infinite cosmos in which we live.
I have explained the flight of the meteorite many times. Glass
particles
found near the outer vesicles prove that the rock was heated past the
melting point of glass and then recooled before it hit the ground.
The
aerodynamic shape of the rock allowed it to "fly" through the
air, much like
the early lifting bodies that NASA tested. The composition and
materials
(highly vesicled) allowed the rock to dissipate heat very quickly.
But all
of this was explained three years ago on my web site. I don't know
if you
ever have students who come to class without being prepared, but I can
tell
from the questions you ask, that you have either not read or understood
what
I have written.
When future history looks back on this incidence, I'm sure that I will
be
exonerated. The rules of meteorite finding should include farmers
and
ranchers as a reliable source. Farmers and ranchers know their
land and
they know if something is different. They should always be
considered
reliable sources for meteorites. As a philosopher, it is my job to
keep my
mind open. For most of the time that I have had the meteorite, I
have had a
healthy amount of skepticism. What finally convinced me is the two
different ages. The youngest portion of this rock is 13 million
years old.
Mankind was not even a gleam in God's eye back then. In the 50
million
years plus represented, many, if not most, of the species that we know
today, didn't exist back then. As an example, all venomous snakes
have
evolved on Earth in this time. If one understands the least little
bit
about the workings of this planet, then it is obvious that the Frass
Meteorite could not have survived a hundred years on Earth, much less
millions.
I will not be available for several weeks or months. I now know
that I will
probably never convince anyone over the Internet. I was raised
with manners
and told that when I was spoken to, I should speak back. Yet over
the
internet, people are basically animals and have no manners or
responsibility. So I'm going to set out and start talking to
people face to
face. Sooner or later I will succeed because the truth is on my
side.
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
To: <mike@micromike.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 4:26 PM
Subject: More info
> Hi Mike,
>
> Your photos should go out today. The secretary is not in so
that may
> delay it a bit. On another note though, I need some
information. As I
> said in one of my early communications, the person who finds a
meteorite
> is really the only one who can provide a first person history of
the
> find and that data is critical in validating the find. I
think you said
> that you visited the area often and one day it just appeared and it
had
> not been there the day before.
>
> As the geologist I have been talking with think the problem
through,
> they are asking me for information I cannot provide. They
need to know
> basically two things: 1) What is the approximate mass of the
object? and
> 2) What was the size of the impact crater - depth as well as
diameter?
> And did you take any temperature reading of the soil beneath the
> object? (the soil would evidently stay hot for a long time
due to the
> tremendous impact)
>
> They need this data to confirm the model that all meteorites seem
to
> fit. These objects travel and hit the surface at speeds in
excess of
> 15,000 mph and show a very common pattern (Something to do with
entry
> angle and whether they "bounce" off the atmosphere or are
able to
> penetrate and therefore hit with a tremedous speed). This
will help in
> being able to classify the object as having hit the Earth from
> outerspace rather than as ejection from a volcano which would show
no
> evidence of a crater. One of the experts using bullets fired
from a .30
> caliber rifle to simulate the impact and has been very succesful in
> duplicating the "landing" pattern.
>
> Once I get the fussion crust sample and can get a good photo, that
along
> with the crater description should allow us to wrap this thing up.
>
> Hang in there,
>
> Daryl
>
>
Hi Mike,
Glad to hear from you. I hope you are doing well and am glad to
hear
that I can still send material to you at the previous address.
As far as the meteorite samples, I am -- AS PROMISED -- still working.
I am in contact with a research chemist in California that specializes
in meterorites. She has and continues to work on a confirmed
sample
from Mars. As soon as I can fit into her schedule, I will be
working
with her. I also have a sample at an EM facility (small grains
from
inside the cavities) and am hoping to get it done soon. I have
another
sample with another geologist and hope to hear soon.
I am not delaying anything but getting things "worked" into
other
schedules is difficult at best. I know it is taking a long time to
get
information but that is the way things in academia work. Hang in
there.
Later,
Daryl
Micromike wrote:
> Dear Daryl, I don't know if you are still working on the Frass
> Meteorite, but I need to know. If you are still working on it
in any
> way, then feel free to keep your samples as long as you need.
> However, if you are no longer actively investigating this rock,
then
> please send all of the samples and any of the other stuff you
promised
> to send to the same address that I have previously sent you.
It seems
> that the UFO museum in Roswell has invited us to be the featured
event
> at the annual convention over the 4 th of July week. Since I
have
> given most of the samples from the meteorite to the various
> researchers, I have little left to show and I don't want to further
> damage the meteorite by taking more until it is taken seriously by
> science and the sample can be properly taken. So if you
are through
> testing, then send it all back. If you have more to do, then
keep it
> as long as you like. Your friend, micromike
Hi Mike,
Your flying insect may have been lost but the other one has not really
been lost. It is (at least the parts that were left
after "rolling around" with the wooden pieces in the Petri
dish)
preserved on an electron microscope stub and coated
with gold and palladium. It is now stable and will easily survive
more
time and probably trips. I know you wanted to keep it intact but
most
people who identify things use only a small portion of the object
anyway. I still have other
fragments and can mount and view them if we need to.
The insect (your spider), that has been viewed by several biologists,
all agree that it is a small spider. It has all the
characteristics that would be associated with a present day spider.
They have found no other species but the cave
spider that exhibits the characteristics of the specimen. I think
that
route is now pretty much finished unless we can
think of another way to interpret the characteristics that are visible.
I have received (within the last few days) a communication for an
independent geologist that has had a sample of the
material for several months. The material was sent to him to
through a
friend and the source was unknown to him.
His conclusion after all his tests was that the material was ejected
from a volcanic event, matches other samples found
in the Southwest and did not exhibit any characteristics he could find
that would lead to other conclusions. Sorry that
this result is not what you wanted to hear but it is an absolutely
"unbiased" interpretation by a very highly qualified
geologist.
I'll keep you posted as more information comes in.
Daryl
Micromike wrote:
> Dear Daryl, I'm glad to hear you are still working. Take all
the time
> that you need. I have spent hundreds of hours looking at this
rock
> and I think you will be rewarded if you just stick to it. I
know
> everyone thinks that I want this rock to be from Mars, but the
truth
> is for most of the time since I found it, I was disappointed
thinking
> it was from Mars. You see, as a child, I had wanted a piece
of the
> old stuff that I knew comprised most of the debris that floats
around
> our solar system. After all, it is the remains of ancient
planets and
> suns that have exploded and distributed their material around the
> galaxy. So when I thought that the rock was from Mars, I knew
that it
> would have to be younger material and that disappointed me. I
wasn't
> really happy about it being from Mars, until the possible Mars life
> was found inside a martian meteorite and I began studying the Frass
> Meteorite to determine what it was. I have never asked it to
be
> anything. I have only tried to see what it would tell me
about
> itself. I'm sorry about the flying insect. I will take full
> responsibility for losing it. I just wanted so much to get it
to some
> one that could do something with it, because I knew that I didn't
have
> the tools to even handle it. I never meant to even take it out of
the
> petri dish where it was found. I moved it by accident when it
stuck
> to my probe by static electricity. That was when I put it in
it's own
> petri dish. After I saw what it was and you said you would
help me,
> all I could think of was to send it to you, and I didn't think too
> much about the trip. I should have put in on a piece of tape,
but I
> didn't think of that at the time. I realize that it represented my
> best chance to date of having something easy to identify as not
being
> terrestrial. And I know that it must be deflating to you, as a
> biologist, but I believe with all my heart, that if you will
continue
> your work, something will come out that will prove my contention
that
> the rock is from Mars. Thanks again for all you are doing. I
would be
> glad to discuss anything with any of the other scientist if they
want
> to "talk" to me. There is a great deal of
information on my web sites
> and I have proposed models that explain the creation of the rock
and,
> in fact, a proposed "history" of Mars. Your friend,
micromike
Hi Mike,
Thia is a perfect example of why people quit talking to you. You
just
don't get it. I guess you just march to a different drummer.
I take great offense at your comment that I am "logically
impaired." I
am a well-trained, practicing scientist . I train students who
become
respected, active contributors to the wealth of scientific knowledge.
I
have paid my dues and learned how to practice science. You have no
ground to stand on Mike. Go to school, pay your debt and then
throw
stones.
You are living with a view of what science was and how it was practiced
200 years ago. Most of what was called science then was actually
philosophy. Anybody could be a scientist. All they had to do
was call
themselves one and they became a scientist. What they called
"the
truth" was whatever people could convinvce others of that seemed
logical
and supported by obsevational evidence. We (real scientists)
outgrew
this over 100 years ago but you seem to be stuck with that notion.
You also don't use the term science correctly. Science is a way of
knowing. That is all it is. It is not studying something
very narrowly
or not looking at something as a whole. You seem confused about
study
and science. Biologists study living things, chemists study
chemical
reactions, geologist study rocks and mineral, but they all
"know" the
facts of their discipline because of the process of science.
Put your name on your list Mike. You broke your own promise to be
open. What have you been open about? Please send me a list
of the data
you have (from NASA, me, etc.) that you have been open to. From my
reading of your material, you have closed your mind to all data that
would not support the rock being from Mars or the insect fragments being
from Mars. Please send me a list of this information that science
has
produced and you have been open to. I would like to see it.
I also
think it would be a good exercise for you.
You seem to believe that people are all against you and that everybody
always breaks their promises. That may be evidence of a
psychological
problem. You may benefit from therapy.
I look forward to the list of facts you have been open to.
Daryl
Micromike wrote:
> By the way, I'm going to make a list of all the people and the
> promises that have been broken. I'll put your name at the
bottom of
> the list with the comment "Logically impaired, but honestly
searching
> for the truth." :-) I'll then point them to your
letter, insisting
> on scientific integrity in the process. I'll not say anything
ugly
> about anyone, but merely list the promises that they have broken in
> this process.
Hi Mike,
I am not saying that there is anything wrong with the test or the data.
I am just saying we need to start there and we may need to do another
test if there is anything that is not consistent with current
practices. I have no problem working with Dick. I just want
to get a
handle on the procedures. I want to bring more people on board
slowly
and involve them in the process. For instance, I would like to
have at
least 3 experts on board with the sampling and testing procedure as we
go along. We would need all of them to agree that the sampling and
testing was done correctly. They would then all agree on the
interpretation. If we get them that far and the numbers prove that
this
rock cannot be from Earth. We then have the allies we need to make
people listen. Once we establish where the rock is not from, we
can
then go the next step. It has taken us a year to get to this
point. I
know it has been hard for you but it is necessary. Science does
not
want to look at the whole picture at once. It is too much too
quick.
We will have to build the picture one pixel at a time. I have the
connections to the people who will support us if the data continues to
build an understandable picture.
If you can get me an e-mail for Dick, I would love to communicate with
him. I think it would be beneficial.
As far as getting others to run the test, I would like to ask one more
thing. I would like for someone to obtain an accepted/published
sampling technique. We need to make sure that we are not getting
into
trouble where someone can challenge the data. We can quote the
proper
sampling procedure and if the numbers replicate in several labs, we have
it nailed.
Keep the faith Mike. As much as you may not like it, we need to
put
this puzzle together one piece at a time. Imagine what it would be
like
if you had five scientists saying that if these numbers are true then it
has to be from someplace other then Earth and you have a published paper
that definitely establishes the age of the rock. They cannot
dismiss it
as error. Believe me when I say I will not let them.
On another front. If you are serious and still interested in
having a
graduate student do a lot of the literature work (sampling, K/Ar
procedures, etc.) and do the paper publication as a Master's thesis, I
can set that up with no problem. Just let me know. Maybe it
could be a
scholarship/study in memory of your son.
Talk to you later and I hope you are doing OK.
Daryl
Micromike_trailnet wrote:
> Dear Daryl,I've finally gotten hooked up and now have an e-mail
> account here at the museum. You can reach me direct at
> micromike@trailnet.com.It
bothers me that you imply that our first
> test of K-Ar ages were somehow not open and honest. If you
wish to
> call Dick Reeseman at Geochron, you will see that I actually
thought
> the rock would be much older, since all other martian rocks known
at
> that time were much older. In fact, the only thing you are
testing,
> is Dick Reeseman's ability to do K-Ar dating. I still think
redoing
> the tests is important. But I wish that you would call Dick
Reeseman
> and talk to him and tell him what you are doing and allow him to
> "supervise" any testing that is going on. We'll
know the probable
> answer as soon as the Ar part of the test is complete, and
apparently
> that is the easy and inexpensive part of the test.I think I've
found
> other researchers to repeat these tests and to do some additional
> tests, but we'll have to wait and see if they come through.
Several
> are from overseas, as the museum gets a lot of international
> visitors.I don't know what to do about getting the samples from
> Treiman. Do you want to contact him, or should I?Your
> friend,micromike
Thanks Mike,
I am not sure you did it wrong last time but if we take it slow and keep
scientists involved from the beginning (either redo the tests or just
confirm
the sampling methods and the data interpretation), they will be more
willing to
stay engaged and make statements they will stand behind. It is
difficult for
any real scientist to put their reputation on the line if they don't
feel part
of the process. There are too many instances of people being
burned. Can you
say - Cold fusion in a cooler???
I'll give Dick a call. In the meantime, can you give me any
indication as to
how you arrived at the sampling technique you used. In particular,
I am
interested in dispelling the concerns of having a "mixed"
sample. If the rock
has evidence of two types of rock (old rock grains being engulfed by new
lava),
what effect will that have on a K/Ar age determination? Just
discuss with me
what you know or have be lead to believe.
Thanks,
Daryl
Micromike_trailnet wrote:
> Dear Daryl,
> I would still like to have graduate students involved, but I no
longer have
> any resources to pay them. But we can work that out later.
> Here is Dick's phone number. He has said over and over that
he would be
> glad to talk to anyone about this, but so far, no one has ever
called him,
> so I think it would be good if you do.
> I also approve of your other suggestions. I would like to
wrap this up by
> doing everything correct this time. Talk to some people and
see what they
> think about the samples. I will do anything that is necessary
to convince
> them the rock is real.
> Thanks for all you are doing. I feel things are finally in
good hands and I
> do trust you, as I have from the beginning.
> Your friend,
> micromike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: daryl adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
> To: Micromike_trailnet <micromike@trailnet.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:46 AM
> Subject: tests
>
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I am not saying that there is anything wrong with the test or
the data.
> > I am just saying we need to start there and we may need to do
another
> > test if there is anything that is not consistent with current
> > practices. I have no problem working with Dick. I
just want to get a
> > handle on the procedures. I want to bring more people on
board slowly
> > and involve them in the process. For instance, I would
like to have at
> > least 3 experts on board with the sampling and testing
procedure as we
> > go along. We would need all of them to agree that the
sampling and
> > testing was done correctly. They would then all agree on
the
> > interpretation. If we get them that far and the numbers
prove that this
> > rock cannot be from Earth. We then have the allies we
need to make
> > people listen. Once we establish where the rock is not
from, we can
> > then go the next step. It has taken us a year to get to
this point. I
> > know it has been hard for you but it is necessary.
Science does not
> > want to look at the whole picture at once. It is too
much too quick.
> > We will have to build the picture one pixel at a time. I
have the
> > connections to the people who will support us if the data
continues to
> > build an understandable picture.
> >
> > If you can get me an e-mail for Dick, I would love to
communicate with
> > him. I think it would be beneficial.
> >
> > As far as getting others to run the test, I would like to ask
one more
> > thing. I would like for someone to obtain an
accepted/published
> > sampling technique. We need to make sure that we are not
getting into
> > trouble that someone can challenge the data. We can
quote the proper
> > sampling procedure and if the numbers replicate in several
labs, we have
> > it nailed.
> >
> > Keep the faith Mike. As much as you may not like it, we
need to put
> > this puzzle together one piece at a time. Imagine what
it would be like
> > if you had five scientists saying that if these numbers are
true then it
> > has to be from someplace other then Earth and you have a
published paper
> > that definitely establishes the age of the rock. They
cannot dismiss it
> > as error. Believe me when I say I will not let them.
> >
> > On another front. If you are serious and still
interested in having a
> > graduate student do a lot of the literature work (sampling,
K/Ar
> > procedures, etc.) and do the paper publication as a Master's
thesis, I
> > can set that up with no problem. Just let me know.
Maybe it could be a
> > scholarship/study in memory of your son.
> >
> > Talk to you later and I hope you are doing OK.
> >
> > Daryl
> >
Hi Mike,
Make sure you get the geologist's name, address, affiliation, degrees,
etc. and
maybe they can help. If they are real geologists working in the
area, they
will be able to provide technical assistance as needed.
Why as Alan not happy??
As far as a scholarship, a scholarship can be any amount and is given to
a
particular student. The student does not have to do anything in
return. An
asssistantship is different and provides a small amount of money to
support a
graduate student to work in a department. What would you like to
do?
What about the thin section??
Daryl
Micromike_trailnet wrote:
> Dear Daryl,
> Alan Treiman came by the booth the other day. He wasn't too
happy when he
> left, but I got to show the meteorite to his children.
He said that there
> would be no problem in returning the samples he has. He says
that they have
> been laying on the shelf since the day I left.
> I have had a number of geologist come through the booth, and when
they
> actually listen to the evidence and look at the fusion crust, they
have
> agreed with my analysis. We'll just have to see if they
actually help in
> any way.
> I would like to set up the scholarship program we talked about in
Aaron's
> name. Let me know what the costs will be and I'll find the
money. Thanks
> for everything.
>
> Your friend,
> micromike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: daryl adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
> To: Micromike_trailnet <micromike@trailnet.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:58 AM
> Subject: Samples
>
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I talked to Dick about the K/Ar data. We both agree that
the numbers
> > are OK. I have never had a problem with the numbers only
the
> > interpretation they may lead to. We both agreed that the
> > numbers/interpretation will be influence by the sample and if
the sample
> > contained two types of rock (some mixes are Ok - others are
not) it may
> > result in numbers that are NOT representative of either rock
type.
> >
> > Dick and I agree that a thin sample of the mixed material that
was
> > subjected to the K/Ar test will shed light on this potential
problem. A
> > competent geologist will be able to tell us if the mix is a
problem. Do
> > you have a thin section of the mixed material that gave you
the age that
> > you report? If so we need to use it first. If you
don't, we need to
> > start with a new sample.
> >
> > We will need a thin section first, followed by a review of the
slide by
> > several competent geologists to tell us what it is and if a
K/Ar test
> > will give conclusive results.
> >
> > As far as the K/Ar test goes, I will split the cost with you
to save you
> > money.
> >
> > Let me know what you think.
> >
> > Daryl
> >
Dear Daryl,
I've switched computers and didn't have your e-mail address handy, so I
used
this old message that you sent me. I'll get my list updated in a
day or two
and things will be back to normal.
I can't believe that you have gone back to the fusion crust issue.
I'll not
take another sample and damage the rock further. I've already sent you
the
biggest piece that I've sent anyone. To damage the rock further
would be
irresponsible at this point. So far, I calculate that I have shown
the rock
to about 15,000 people out of the 35,000 plus that have visited the
museum
since I have been here. During that time, only three people have
said they
don't think the rock is a meteorite: Alan Treiman, one of his friends,
another geologist that walked across the stage without looking through
the
microscope, and then you. The only thing all of you have in common
is that
none of you actually looked at the fusion crust through the microscope.
The
only one that actually needs to be convinced of the fusion crust is
yourself. If you want to be convinced, then instead of spending
your money
on additional age tests, spend it on travel to Roswell. Either
meet or
bring your new geologist friend from Socorro and plan to spend at least
one
afternoon here at the museum. Sit and watch people come by and
look at the
fusion crust and after hours we'll look at the fusion crust at any spot
on
the rock through the microscope. No one that has looked through
the
microscope denies the rock is a meteorite, although many don't think it
is
from Mars. If you are going to get on board, then get on board.
Every day
people come through the museum and ask if I have gotten any DNA of the
glassies. All I can tell them is that I sent a sample to a
scientist before
last Christmas and that he promised to get DNA and that as of this date,
I
don't think he has even started the experiment. As you can see in
the
letter attached below, other promises that you have made to me have not
been
kept yet either. I'm going to present this living meteorite to the
people
of the world, whether you come with me or not. That is up to you
and if you
decide to join the process, then come to Roswell and bring any friends
you
want and introduce yourself and I'll go through the entire evidence with
you
piece by piece. The Frass Meteorite is from Mars and you are
wasting
valuable time by not conducting studies of the life of another world.
Your friend,
micromike
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Daryl Adams" <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
To: "micromike.com" <mike@micromike.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Photos
> Thanks Mike. Photos did not make it out as planned. I
had some
technology
> issues to deal with and I got side tracked. I am back on
track and will
get
> them out Monday.
>
> Daryl
>
> "micromike.com" wrote:
>
> > Daryl,
> > I've taken a new sample of the fusion crust and I am sending
it to you
> > today. We video taped the sample taking and I've
included the video so
that
> > you can see where the sample came from and how it relates to
the rest of
the
> > rock.
> > I watched a show on Dessert Varnish the other night and I
think it will
be
> > easy for you to determine if the rock shows fusion crust or
dessert
varnish.
> > Thanks again for your work. I've not forgotten you and I
think of you
and
> > your work constantly, but I have a way of making people mad at
me, so I
feel
> > it is better at this point in space and time that I not
"pollute" your
> > thoughts much as you work to determine the origin of this
interesting
rock.
> > Your friend,
> > micromike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D. Daryl Adams <daryl.adams@mankato.msus.edu>
> > To: micromike.com <mike@micromike.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 3:49 PM
> > Subject: Photos
> >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > Haven't heard from you for awhile so I thought I let you
know how
things
> > > were going. It is the end of the semester and
things are hectic and
we
> > > are moving sort of slow on non-class issues.
Anyway, I have your
> > > negatives back and will be shipping the original photos
and the
original
> > > 4x5 negatives to you tomorrow. I am trying to meet
with Bryce but we
> > > keep having conflicts (mostly mine). I will keep at
it over the next
> > > couple of weeks to make sure we get it done before
Christmas break.
> > >
> > > Daryl
> > >
> > >
>
>
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