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Dear Mike,

Thank you for your long and interesting letter. Please feel free to address me as you like. I know that it is not the fashion anymore to say "dear X" but I like to do it myself.

I'm sorry, but my PS was a poor attempt at a joke. I don't know where you are from, but I was trying to make a pun between the words Jean and John. A Dear John letter is used when someone is breaking up from someone else, but I very much enjoy your letters as I have searched for over 5 years for someone who would argue on the side of a finite cosmos. You see, I am prejudiced for an infinite cosmos, so it is harder for me to think of arguments on that side of the issue. I will tell you that I don't think I have come up with any argument that logically and completely proves an infinite cosmos. But I do think that I can prove that a finite cosmos can't be true and thus an infinite cosmos is true by default. Also, it is just much better for human beings to be taught that the cosmos is infinite and thus they have no limits, than for them to be taught that the cosmos is finite and thus they do face limits in what they can do with their lives.

You can post my letters on your web site. I only hope that I am not saying something silly.

I don't think that anything that you say is silly. I think that you are a human being who has thought and cared about this issue and it is important to you. How could that ever be silly? I have been a computer "expert" for over 20 years. I still have a few people that come to me when they have their hardest problems and deepest questions because I have never known a computer problem that I could not solve. Many people have come to me over the years and said to me "I have a stupid question about my computer." I always say to them that there are no stupid questions, only those questions that you do not yet know an answer. Too much of our society is devoted to hating those who are different, when in reality, I think that I can show that diversity is the single most important issue in the survival of any species. Thus we should cherish our differences as something that makes us better as a whole than any of us can be as individuals. So never consider your arguments silly, if you make them from your heart. All of us are on a journey to learn more and I have already learned from my short contact with you and I cherish every viewpoint that I can come to understand.

You are perfectly right in saying that a single Big Bang requests the cosmos to be finite. This is indeed one of the three arguments I am developing in my first hypothesis.

I am so glad to see that you are consistent on this issue. As I have said before, I believe that most people in science believe in an infinite cosmos (although many apparently haven't thought much about it) but they believe in this single big bang which I believe logically requires a finite cosmos.

 

In our discussion I will adopt your definition and say that the cosmos is all that exists. So in my opinion, the cosmos is finite. It seems to me that your gravionic model of the cosmos does not absolutely request an infinite cosmos. This model could exist in a finite cosmos, even if the cosmos is very large indeed.

You are probably right about this. There probably is some giant number that could represent enough mass and energy to allow the whole thing to go on for a very long period. But in the end, one must assume either the cosmos is infinite or that the cosmos is finite, and this assumption will affect every decision that you make in your life. It seems to me that in an infinite cosmos, miracles are much more likely to happen than in a finite cosmos. (See www.marsmeteorite.com) Since I believe in miracles, I must logically believe in an infinite cosmos.

he example of your mother is a good one because, contrarily to what you say, she can not imagine an infinite cosmos, nor can anyone by the way. She can say that it is infinite without being able to know what that means. It is precisely this impossibility for us all to imagine an infinite cosmos that astonishes me.

The gravionic model shows that all human beings are created from mass and gravity and energy. The human mind is a gravionic processor and uses the connections and shape of gravity to make and store the models that we call our thoughts and memories. Thus, each human being has a model that represents reality to that person. Since each of us "know" all things through this gravionic model, our model can never be the actual reality that exists outside ourselves and must by definition be a model of what exists outside ourselves. So all that you can say is based on your model of reality and your experiences of your life. You don't think anyone else can have a model of reality that allows them to "know" infinity. I disagree. Since I was born into an infinite cosmos, I have always been a part of it and have always "known" it in some way. But after being able to look at the problems of life in the light of the gravionic model, I now understand that I can make my own connections of gravity to my God and my planet Earth. I am a Christian by religion, but I am a philosopher first. My Christianity tells me that I can know God, that God is infinite, and that his creation is therefore infinite. But the gravionic model tells me that for any event to be real, that it must involve a connection of gravity and an exchange of energy. Thus if I truly connect to God and the cosmos I would do it through these connections of gravity called gravions. Sometimes when I have hiked for 10 or 12 miles and I am very tired and hurt all over, I lay in the grass and close my eyes and become one with all that exists around me. At these times, I believe that I "know" the infinite cosmos and I feel very much a part of it. Thus I decline your argument that I can't "know" an infinite cosmos.

We all know that the mathematics can succeed where our imagination fails. For example, it is possible to calculate a fifth dimension, or any number of dimensions while it is absolutely impossible for us to imagine something outside the four dimensions we are used to. But mathematics can not describe an infinite cosmos because to do so they would need an infinite space.

Please remember that mathematics is not reality either. Just as our minds make a model of how we see the world, mathematics is just a model that represents things that are real. Mathematics is never the reality, only the model. Also, all mathematics is imagination. All math first appears in the mind of man and then it is committed to paper.

There is more to it. An infinite cosmos would be absurd for eternity because we could never find its reasons to exist.

Again, you can only speak of your model of reality and your inability to find meaning in an infinite cosmos. The gravionic model differs from today's science in many ways. (It is the first scientific model that is big enough for God.) One of those differences is in the progression of order. Modern science has left the g out of the equation and thus when they look at any real event, they see the energy of the mass going down, so they assume the cosmos is going to disorder. But when you put the g in the equation, one understands that the energy is flowing from the m to the g and since g represents the number of connections, one sees that the order of any particular universe is always increasing. The Earth is much more ordered now than when it first begun. Thus the process of any universe is toward order. Life is just the next step in that order and life that is aware of itself is the next step. Thus when one becomes aware, one sees that ones duty is to contribute to the order of the cosmos is whatever manner that you can. Thus an infinite cosmos gives one more reasons to exist than a finite one.

In an infinite cosmos, we could never for all eternity prove that it is infinite.

Likewise, we could never prove it was finite either.

An infinite cosmos would be outside the reach of our intelligence for eternity.

Again, a conclusion based only on your experiences as a human being.

It is this absolute wall that make me think that the cosmos is not infinite. I do not say that the infinite does not exist, but it exists outside the cosmos, where there are no dimensions. An infinity can not be composed of finite things. An infinity can only be composed of infinity.

These arguments go against set theory. One can have an infinite set composed of finite items. There are many such sets within mathematics and all I am saying is that the cosmos is built the same way. One can have an infinite number of finite stars. Here is how I imagine it in my mind. Rise above the galaxy and continue rising up. You will continue to pass more and more stars as you rise. No matter how far you go, there will still be more stars before you. The Hubble has confirmed these observations because every time they point the telescope in a "empty" spot at the sky and do a deep field observation, they find hundreds and hundreds of fully formed and old galaxies.

I would like you to tell me what is the moral of your philosophy.

I have pretty much explained the moral above. Each of us is to bring as much order as we can bring. The more order you bring for more people the more good you have done. The act of love is the making of connections of gravity with human beings on this planet and your God and exchanging energy, giving to those in need and taking only when you are in need. Love is upheld by keeping the order of our words and actions so that truth (the connection of gravions) is preserved.

You can know what is the moral of the Big Bang philosophy by clicking on the top left of the first page of my site at "A few details about…".

I look forward to receive your comments.

Kind regards.

Jean-Pierre

 

 

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